Gallus Domesticus 说:
anglomanii 说:
Gallus Domesticus 说:
The Swiss rediscovered the use of drums to control marching pace in the 15th century, which allowed marching large bodies of men in tight, orderly formations.
Military drums was what allowed the ancient Greek phalanx to maneuver in squares without breaking apart. The concept was lost after the fall of the ancient worlds and the deterioration of what remained of the Roman empire which eventually also fell.
During the middle ages formations were only a vague concept and is not much more sophisticated than a large group of men standing in a long, thick strip, much like what is already implemented in the game.
What would be nice though is to get the old kind of "follow me" back. It's nice to have a large group of troops crowded around you rather than having them always in a line.
so what..... does that mean medieval forces had no coordination?
Certainly no more coordination than what's already implemented in Mount and Blade.
Moving large amounts of men(each with individual thought) in tight bodies is far more difficult than it appears. Without coordinated rythm, moving a large group humans in tight and orderly formation is impossible.
A line is far simpler to create since men can adjust their own pace to the pace of the line, but when a man is tightly surrounded in all directions by fellow soldiers he would be unable to effectively adjust to the formation. Any small deviation in this case could have drastic effects on the motion of the formation.
Medieval formations are orderly in the front row and while it's stationary, but in motion it'd be more of an rectangular mob.
Well... in the XIII-XIV (and even before) there were drums and horns to give orders or coordination, if u read the "Chançon de Roland" (i think i've write it correctly
) u will see that Roland has got a Horn to give the king the order to advance or to ask for help. In some places every leader got something to sign the others if he needed help or continue with a plan, or something like that, each horn uses a diferent sound so every leader will recognize his friend sound, they used it like the roman officers used his Whistle to give orders to the troops above the battle noises. That demonstrate coordination and tactics.
The "cuadro de picas" style formation has his origins in this age, i wanna say that the swiss used it before the XV Century, maybe it was very rudimentary yet, but there you got a formation.
In the medieval Age there was military ranks, for example a noble will be the Sargeant of an army, (in that times a sargeant was a very high rank
, in facts, in the XV a Sargeant was the second after the colonel). So that seems: troops asignments, military division, and in fact, coordination. When a Noble call for his vasalls to do a "mesnada" ( i dont know the word in english sorry
, will it be "retinue"?) before the battle, he says to his vassals what have to do, there wasn't complex Maneuvers, but that seems, coordination.
I dont think that the game shold have complex formations, but i think that at least there should be the posibility of ask to your troops to form a Square and stay in position when the f*** Khaergtis come to Assault you with his horses, cause if they stay in line, the horses come, hit, and go, and you see how your infantry die like idiots cause they aren't using their pikes and the bownmans stay with a swords in his hands, and like the line formation is of two men the horse dont stop.
More than formations, i think that the game should have the posibility to form more groups in the "Party option" of the game, where you upgrade your troops or equip your knights. I think there should be an option wich says: "Asign to Cohort one" (then the number one call to every troop that u have asigned there) "Asign to Cohort two", etc... This option will get bigger if you got more leadership, that will be nice...
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