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Considering that the model is made from scratch it isn't that bad, yes it isn't great but give the creator credit for creating an unique elephant model that works. If you don't like it just remove the battle elephant from the slaver chiefs inventory with morphs editor. Same goes for the camels, which personally I love and the only thing I disliked was the colour of the caladrian camels (I think?) because they were just too yellow/orange so I removed them from the badw's inventory and problem solved.

Singlehandedsailor 说:

I thought it was supposed to be a joke since its not easy to get a slaver chief.

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It isn't that difficult to get one as far as I know.

Cheeseburgers 说:

Okay thanks and what about elephants?

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Elephants are used by Slaver Chiefs the fully "upgraded" version of manhunter's and I'm pretty sure you cannot obtain the mount without the use if cheats and even if you could I believe the base price is like 30000? So they aren't cheap.

Lords run away too easily. Yeah so what the bandits have 500+ and you only 200? You have 200 “elite” troops (not exactly true but still, professionals vs bandits). Grow a pair and attack them you even get support from me. If you could change however the running away calculation works?

I'd love to fix that aspect of the game, but to be honest I'm not sure quite how to go about it yet.  It seems the module system tracks "nearby ally" and "nearby enemy" strength, but it doesn't seem to help in reality.

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I am by no means an expert on tweeking but I noticed as I was messing with Morphs M&B editor I saw something called courage. Would tweaking the Lords courage make them attack massive bandit parties like that or would it just make them become suicidal berserker's? Just an idea

• You can retire whenever you want.
• You don't keep anything unless you desert the army.
• I personally do exactly what you plan on doing when I first start a new game because it's a great way to earn XP and gold. You also don't have to worry about food or troop wages.
• Companions don't join you but will return to you when you either retire or desert the army you are freelancing for, same goes for any troops you might of had. (unless you got taken prisoner while freelancing)
• I prefer to gather all the companions gradually because then you can figure out who is compatible with who instead of having a mass amount of complaints if you get everyone at once. They will stay with you indefinitely unless you annoy them enough or someone else annoys them enough to leave. They don't usually leave after a few days.

Hope this has helped

I recenty started a new game and had the same problem as you but what I am doing at the moment is having a list of compatible companions next to my M&B window so whenever I walk into taverns I know who I can get that is compatible with my current companion choice.

Hey I'm downloading this now and I'm just curious if you are going to continue updating this because I think this mod will give me a reason to actually play WFAS Great job and I can't wait to try it out

zykox 说:

arrrgggh....

and here I was hoping for:
-it's ok, me too, man
-it's not you, it's Logitech

ok, ok...I'll be looking for a freakin' gaming mouse...or maybe adopt a non-melee style of playing

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Don't worry bro I have broken a $10 logitek mouse but that was because I threw it

Deathwhisper 说:

Imo AI parties shouldn't be able to have prisoner trains superior to 3 times their own party size, in order to prevent retarded situations like this. If this lord participates to campaigns he'll allow khergits to steamroll absolutely everything (even if half his troops are garbage, enemy lords won't even try to attack him and will flee, so he'll probably never be defeated, unless he gets caught alone by the entire enemy army).

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Although no one will try to stop that army it is very possible to destroy them when they attack a castle/town of yours or your factions, all you need is a group of decent infantry and archers and they will get caught in a choke point and their numbers will mean nothing. Might be a long battle but you can take them out never the less.

Also personally I love this because it makes it possible to send a transfer of say 10 troops to one castle/town and when they arrive there could be 100+ troops if you escort them.

I have also taken this castle multiple times. It also sounds like you are auto resolving the battle? I don't know how you can not manage to kill even one defender with 40 top tier troops. Your character alone should at LEAST be able to kill one of them with a simple sword to the face or an arrow to the head.

But has the Deshavi thing happened to anyone else. Has anyone ever fired a companion at 30 or so morale and have them say they are  leaving Calradia?
Do companions do that?

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I have lost Deshavi before and had no idea where she went and travellers wouldn't tell me where she was so I eventually gave up and continued the game and then randomly she popped up when I was travelling the world map asking if I can take her back now so I did and she's stayed in my party ever since. This has happened twice to me, both times after loosing a battle and being taken prisoner. Just wait it out she will appear again.

Leifdin 说:

Make sure when building an army you have an even amount of cavalry/infantry to archers, and when you go into the battle try to set up your archers on the nearest high ground close to the enemy. Pressing 2 then holding F1 and placing the flag where you want them to be is a good way of placing them.

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Unless you are Nord, obviously Or Rhodok. As Rhodok, you don't need lot of cavalry at start of game-they are tough to get and don't have many uses in mountainous Rhodok land.

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I ment like the total of your cavalry and infantry is about even to the amount of archers because yeah having an even amount of nord cavalry to infantry would be...difficult to say the least And definitely agree with you Rhodok infantry just dominates!!!! That is why they scare me

I am not really familiar with the cost per tier of a lot of the troops but I find getting A LOT of man hunters and upgrading them can earn you more money then they cost particually with the prison management boost but unfortunately if you have 30 or so prisoners waiting to be sold and you loose your man hunters a lot of the prisoners will escape because of your lack of prison management.

Also I find even in the very late game like 700ish days in I find that T6 troops become a bit more common but T7 units are still like god tier and almost impossible to train up (It's very possible I am just doing something wrong though)

My favourite lowish tier troops though are the nord T3/4/5 infantry (not familiar with the names just yet) just because the way they look and that while they are charging they throw spears to soften up the enemy (if the my cavalry hasn't got to them first) Also sea raiders are scary early game because they are decently armoured bandits that can not only fight well but I believe they aren't to expensive to maintain. (Feel free to correct  me if I am wrong)

Anything under T3 troops though for me are usually just shock troops or troops that I have rescued.

Hanakoganei 说:

I have them set up as their own unit that can be used for different situations, but I also needed to include a tweak (for tf_guarantee_ranged, which was likely supposed to be on by default considering the A4 in their name, but overlooked).

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I never noticed that before so I might do that same and tweak them. Thanks for the hint

Personally the only time I use cheats if I am testing something I've modified otherwise I turn cheat mode off because it can just ruin the game. Plus when you are trying to get somewhere and go to hold ctrl+space then accidently click the left mouse button is so frustrating! (teleports you to where you click if cheat mode is enabled)

For beginners I suggest turning the difficulty ALL the way down just because it makes the game so much easier and just a lot more fun in my opinion. I have played mount and blade since like 2008 and I still play at the lowest difficulty just because being an all mighty berserker that is impossible to take down is just so much fun!

With saving options I go with don't allow me to quit without saving just because I am to great with remembering to save and a lot of the time my game randomly crashes (no fault of floris or warband but my dodgy computer) and I loose all my save progress which is so frustrating! The problem with having that option is that if you get taken prisoner and loose your companions it can be so frustrating to try and collect them all again and majority of the time the bandits take the expensive armour or weapon I JUST purchased.

It usually takes me about 3-4 new games to get settled on a character that I am comfortable with. This is just my play style though, others might create one character and keep that character till they finish the game completely but I find I get bored quickly and ask myself questions like "what if my character was a pure archer" etc. and start a new game.

All this is in my opinion though, others might agree or disagree but that's what I love about the M&B games and mods, you can play it however the hell you want.

Quick tips though:

• Look up a decent companion build and when starting a new game tick the gather companions box
• Make sure when building an army you have an even amount of cavalry/infantry to archers, and when you go into the battle try to set up your archers on the nearest high ground close to the enemy. Pressing 2 then holding F1 and placing the flag where you want them to be is a good way of placing them.
• At the very beginning of the game try to enlist in a lords party that isn't the king (I find the king gets cocky and gets himself into impossible battles causing you both to get captured) This can get you a relation boost with the person you enlisted with, decent experience, some honour from battles also the added benefit of loot and not having to pay for food or troop wages
• Once you think you are a high enough level that enlisting with a lord kinda becomes useless and a waste of time (or you are just bored of doing nothing) try and sign up as a mercenary of a kingdom and correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they pay for 75% of your troop wages? This will really help you with maintaining a decent army
• Depending on your difficulty setting you should be able to take a caste with 150ish troops garrisoned with an army of 80ish semi upgraded troops as long as A LOT of them are archers. I set up my archers to rain hell on the defenders while my infantry is charging up the ladders.
• If you are going well in a battle but you get yourself knocked out DO NOT press tab just go away from the computer get yourself a drink and let your troops finish off the job because they have the added advantage of you being in the battle (concious or not) and majority of the time will finish the enemy off for you.

A lot of those tips you have probably heard before but they are quite helpful in getting yourself started.

(Sorry if this is classified as digging up an old forum post but I thought I might add some tips to the OP and maybe any others reading this.)

I think their main logic is patrol, chill in town/their caste and attack any enemy that has less troops then them. The AI isn't smart enough to mass a group of Lords and destroy the massive bandit parties roaming around. The only time they will group up is if the marshal calls a campaign to siege a castle/town or defend a castle/town. As far as I know anyway.

I only enlist with a King or Lord when I first start a new game and don't have the renown or levels to vassal with a faction and as soon as I get enough I'm out of the army asap because more then once it has got me captured and I loose all the troops I had collected before I enlisted. Then you can possibly risk the king/lord you enlisted with to be captured and then get seen as a deserter because you can't report back to him

I haven't had a chance to try this out yet but I love the idea of editing the longbows and self bows etc. to take much much longer pull back the string because it gives the player the feeling that there is a lot more power going into shot compared to say a practice bow or short bow. Great job and I hope it gets implemented into 2.6 or 2.54

How hard you click the mouse doesn't effect anything apart from the damage to your mouse buttons. I have only ever broken one mouse in my life and that's because...well i threw it at a wall for some unknown reason. Try to not click so hard buddy or get yourself a decent mouse that can withstand the strength of which you violate the poor mouse buttons.

The Floris mod pack personally but that isn't really an overhaul mod like others have posted but more of a native addon (a big one at that)

Then again I have only tried Blood and Steel, PoP and Floris so I can't say I know a lot of the mods there is to offer.

Just a quick suggestion. Would it be possible to add too the "auto upgrade companions" option the ability to upgrade one handed or 2 handed blunt weapons? To make getting prisoners easier. I don't know what mod this feature is from but it seems like a basic enough thing that an quick tweak could add, unless people think that is an unnecessary feature.

Sorry if this has been requested before but I did a quick skim of the suggestions that have already been asked and didn't see it. (I could of missed it though)

Rhodok infantry and late tier crossbow men are scary as all hell to verse early game because of their armour and same goes for the Swadian horsemen. The Swadian have the best late tier archers in Floris in my opinion because of there power and rate of fire compared to the Rhodok crossbowmen. After saying that though my favorite kingdom's troops is the Khergit's just because I'm a sucker for cavalry and in native warband and the original M&B apart from the first 2 tiers of troops all were calvary which absolutely destroyed most infantry (I don't want to talk about their lack of castle/town defence and assaulting power though ) In floris they are not so cavalry dominant which gives a bit more balance to them and the T6/7 cavalry armour looks bloody amazing in my opinion!!

Zaakjes 说:

The strength of the sarranid cavalry and and infantry was, to me, surprising. They stand a very good chance against the former dominant factions like swadia and nord. I've been joining this faction for this reason. But also the vaegirs seem to be pretty strong.

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I find there infantry and cavalry not so great in the later tiers compared to other infantry and cavalry. In the early game though, I find them an incredibly scary force to fight and find my self wanting to save and quit, start a new game and join them instead of whoever I'm currently with and on one occasion actually doing just that.

I have no idea if it's a bug or not. Maybe you are just good mates with the King or everyone had significant estates in the realm already? It has happened to me randomly before and but instead of a town I got given a random castle. I'm not going to complain either but it is strange and even if it is a bug I don't know if it could be fixed but then again I am no modder.