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Amazing. I do not know how many other forums can have so much well-rounded representation. I knew I came to the right place.
And all of you have said things I wouldn't have even thought about asking. Providing even more perspective!

I am going to try to distribute this (again) to everyone in my social circle, there is ALOT of fear in the US right now about our health care changes. Fear turns into alot of yelling and anger. I hope to alleviate that with facts.

So far here is what we have in this thread in only 2 1/2 pages (THANK YOU!):

France
Czech Republic
UK
New Zealand
Australia
Australian living in Japan
Finland
USA
Canada
Norway
Netherlands
Demark
Scotland
British passport holder living in New Zealand

I would of course love more!

Sorry it took me so long to say this, but I thank all of you who responded. This forum is very valuable for such questions and I also thank the administrators for maintaining it. I appreciate each response and have done my best to communicate this information to everyone I know.


Health care is becoming a fierce argument in the US right now. It is exciting, but also a little disappointing. The way I see the argument here is like a bunch of ants fighting over a piece of styrofoam that they have mistaken for a bread crumb. I am just trying to eliminate such mistaken perceptions, and maybe move all of us ants over to something better. This helps alot.

Good griief 19 pages.

I didnt read most of it, but its a pretty safe assumption that nobody mentioned a Babylon 5 episode that dealt with this very issue, if you are really interested in the subject and not just trolling or ego-basking, its in the 1st season, episode was called, ummm, "Believers". Episode 10 in season 1.

I recommend it for any serious research.

Micronations? *sigh* when did this word get made? Is it more newspeak or something deeper...

anyway, people always forget about these many sovereign nations, I see this thread is no different.... Its as if so much of the globe never existed before 1492 

http://www.manataka.org/page450.html

EDIT: just found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation

Ah, the term developed in the 70s, no wonder it has that unpleasant smell.

I tried the 14 day trial a couple of times, and oh yes, I even bought it and paid for a couple of months once. I thought I could get around the strange physics the game has, alas, I couldn't. Its sad too because I like just about everything else in EVE, which is why I bought it. I like how pvp is everywhere but there are very safe areas with little to no chance of pvp, when you are ready though you can go anywhere and experience it.

I just need more real-space physics though. Infinity looks like a good one for this, if it ever gets released.

This will probably turn alot of people off (I hope), it has real-space physics (except there will probably be sound, space should be nice and quiet).

Thank god, finally. No more zero-g underwater physics in space at least.

Has it been updated since 2 years ago? I tried it then and liked it but it wore off rather fast, it did lead me into Wurm Online though.

If you like Stranded II the next logical step is Wurm Online.

As long as they do not look at Deus Ex 2 at all then it may do well. If you hear the team say anything good about Deus Ex 2, well.... par for the course.

I just ran into an artist, hes 65 and struggling with health problems now, but he released a jazz record in 1976. He regrets and resents selling it to the record company for so cheap now. He does not make a penny off of its sale today. He encourages me to d/l if I want, hehe. This attitude seems very common among the 'artists' I come into contact with.

I don't believe the industry has any valid points. Its just avarice. The few artists on their side still simply haven't been screwed by them yet, or are just as greedy. They are good at putting out propaganda supporting their cause, and they have enough money to sway political opinion, so here we are....

It just started here in the states in 2006, just helping it grow! And helping stop the criminalization of immigrants.

Si se puede!

Anything to make people dislike immigrants more. 

I'm telling you, the hype surrounding this IS political.

I just found out about an unscrupulous pig farm that moved to the Mexico City area from the United States. When they were in the US, they were nailed for polluting the water supply and were forced to build a sewage treatment plant just for their pigs. When NAFTA went into effect they packed up and moved to Mexico. So far they have not been forced to take such measures since they moved to Mexico. This gigantic farm/plant probably drove alot of smaller, less hazardous farms out of buisness.

There are alot of names for this flu, swine, H1C1 ect....

I call it NAFTA flu.

Aye, police were out of line. 4th amendment got a bit bruised up there.

Ive been a little alarmed at the increasing number of police helicopters I have been hearing. Used to be it was a huge deal to see a police helicopter ever. Now they call them out for routine traffic mishaps, flying low and blaring on a speaker over an auto accident. Its a little unnerving, especially if you are trying to sleep. I call and complain, but I think something more needs to be done. What they do to homeless in my city is atrocious too. There is a line that has been crossed I think.

This is a bit extreme considering a pillow fight, and I *hope* there was another thread made devoted to it that I just missed, but here it is all the same:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZTbJH6BNaU&feature=fvst

Of course, regularly. At least once per week. Nothing else like it anywhere. And I can yell at the owner if I want to, hehe. I don't like doing business with a company unless I can contact the owner in some way.

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It's more bull**** just like Global Warming or the Bird Flu and SARS hype.


It could be politically motived as most media in the states nowadays is. Probably something the current administration is overselling in order to justify upcoming actions pertaining to the border.

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I'm thinking more along the lines of this. I was apprehensive to say it before, but aye, politically motivated the way the story is looking. I do not trust Calderon one bit.

Nor do I trust these guys:

General Electric owns 80% of NBC
Disney owns ABC
National Amusements owns CBS
We all know about FOX

So, defense contractors and entertainment moguls own most of the US primary TV news sources.

CNN appears to be the last one owned by a original news company, TIME, and it too is heavily merged with other industries, including entertainment.
No wonder so many turn to a comedy network (also owned by National Amusements) for television news.

I get my news from a nationwide listener supported radio network (No, not NPR), every day is a struggle for them to stay afloat and free from corporate influence.

The situation regarding the drug cartels is much more serious than this flu, believe me.

I say figure out what exactly has caused this wave of piracy, and try to stop it at its root. Ive heard its something to do with the Somali coastal waters not being respected, and fishermen not being able to make a living because of it. Well, there is a problem that, hello, diplomacy, could help solve. Africa has been so screwed up from invasion after invasion, colonization after colonization, puppet dictator after puppet dictator, and no end is in sight. We of the invading countries (US included) really should be more responsible and help these countries when crap like this happens, instead of pointing more guns at them. Oh thats right, we are still in the process of bleeding them dry (who knows how China does it), less obvious now as its done by proxy or an even more covert means, but still it continues.

And again, I would like to see a figure on how many the pirates have killed vs how many of them have been killed. This isn't another war that can be won, this is a people being stepped on by international trade, and responding. It can be solved non-violently. No different than if people in South Carolina got upset at big ships taking shortcuts through their fishing and future oil platform waters. Just keep ships away from the region, or stop them from taking shortcuts and seek a diplomatic solution.

It will probably end up being used as an excuse for yet another invasion though *sigh* bloody imperialists (starts writing more protest signs).I guess the US is keen to try out their new AFRICOM toys. Such brutality must end.

I'm still not convinced that HIV did not have 'special' help though, and heck perhaps other 'pandemics' too, not all of them perhaps, but i'm sure at least one. The CIA has been ordered to release diseases such as whooping cough just to see how a population could handle it (Some parts of NYC for example).

And this stuff about the population needing to go down or be 'culled' is horse hockey. The earth can sustain lots and lots of life. Alot more than we have on it currently. There are just certain things we are using that cause alot of harm, and we need to stop those activities (coal, oil, uranium, etc). The people who refuse to stop using those harmful things are the ones saying the population needs to go down.

It is a serious illness that has taken the lives of over 60 people in Mexico. I grieve for the losses suffered there.

I would not say that it is or ever will be a pandemic or anything like that. Alot of media really likes to get sensational about things. I guess it sells more advertising or something. Yay, another erectile dysfunction commercial!

Just remember that, only an expert can deal with the problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvhfSH9CbCw

Wow, nice progression. I would like to continue it...

And money is money. "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws" -Mayer Amschel Rothschild