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Quicky during lunch

Harry_ 说:

frell 说:

Harry_ 说:

frell 说:

So I tried to finally once and for all fix the hideous body models in mb

This is probably the last thing youll see of that project.. Don't ever try it. Its a joke. Trying to get a new BODY to work with mb is nothing like armor at all.  The skin shader is a complete joke and makes normal maps look like garbage.

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Whoops, I already tried it. And I didn't run into the shader ruining normalmaps, that's for sure. Maybe you're using them wrong.

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I was using them correctly, MB's engine could pretty much run on an analog clock nowadays. Im more used to Cryengine and UDK than I am dinosaur poo.

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well, you're just empirically wrong, cause i've used those engines as well as others, and i can tell you that m&b doesn't magically break normalmaps. It doesn't have the flexibility of CE or UDK but part of being a sick artist is being adaptive and working out a solution within parameters.

Al mansur, btw, that looks dope as hell. You probably need some vertex painted ao on the interior tho

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I haven't had any issues with normal maps on armor, their skin shader just doesn't look like skin.

Harry_ 说:

frell 说:

So I tried to finally once and for all fix the hideous body models in mb

This is probably the last thing youll see of that project.. Don't ever try it. Its a joke. Trying to get a new BODY to work with mb is nothing like armor at all.  The skin shader is a complete joke and makes normal maps look like garbage.

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Whoops, I already tried it. And I didn't run into the shader ruining normalmaps, that's for sure. Maybe you're using them wrong.

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I was using them correctly, MB's engine could pretty much run on an analog clock nowadays. Im more used to Cryengine and UDK than I am dinosaur poo.

http://cg.tutsplus.com/tutorials/photoshop/how-to-hand-paint-convincing-metal-textures/

True, but its hard to get a decent audience for them because the games fairly old now. And ARMA is such a terrible game dont get me started

Then face it, MB is modded out.

I never said anything was bad, I just want to save a group of modders from overdoing shooting mods for mount and blade and wasting their time.

Do something unique like ship based pirate battles or something.

yes: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,20178.msg5756031.html#msg5756031

Because warbands combat and aiming makes no sense for a shooter.


Sacred continued to compare Skyrim to existing games like the Witcher etc, but completely disregard him. Obviously I simply defended developers.

SacredStoneHead 说:

frell 说:

Ok ill take my head off(?) my ass and tell you Skyrim isn't medieval. It isn't supposed to be. There is a HUGE difference between medieval and fantasy.

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Witcher is fantasy also. 'Medieval' fantasy.

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Yes, but more medieval than Skyrim.

SacredStoneHead 说:

frell 说:

No no no no. The fact that they were both released in 2011 makes no difference

Witcher 2:
Top of the line GTX card available
At least 4gb RAM, most PC gamers have 8gm

Skyrim:
2006 graphics card that is garbage and renders at 1280x720 because its made for TV display.
512 MEGABYTES OF RAM.

Yes, there is a huge difference.

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Then, the difference is that The Witcher 2 looks better. I don't care if it was marketed for X or Y.

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And im trying to tell you OF COURSE The Witcher 2 is going to look better. They had TONS more memory to use for quality and post processing and shaders. Skyrim doesn't look bad because the developers suck, it looks bad because consoles suck but they are a console RPG.

SacredStoneHead 说:

frell 说:

These games were not competing AT ALL because THEY CAN'T.

Skyrims market was consoles, Witcher was PC.

PC > CONSOLE

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Does it matter it was made for consoles or not? No.

Skyrim can do a better job being less demanding, but it looks worse. ON PC.

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Yes it matters it was made for consoles, they had less memory to work with. What do you think makes PS2 games look worse compared to PS3 games? Same concept here.

Sigh... Of course its going to look worse on PC compared to other PC games. Bethesda didn't spend any development time to buff up the graphics for the PC because they know you can edit the ini files yourself and create mods to max out the quality. And the game looks ******** gorgeous if you do.  And Skyrims engine isn't very demanding at all, consoles are just so old. Witcher 2 wouldn't even run on a console, BECAUSE it was made for PC and they cranked everything up.

SacredStoneHead 说:

frell 说:

I bet you think PC BF3 and console BF3 look the exact same dont you? Because they were both released in the same year by the same company.

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Why should I? And what does it have with the argument anyway?

I don't play consoles, if that's what you're suggesting.

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You said they were both released in 2011 so they can be compared, even though they were targeting different hardware.

Lets go ahead and compare Crysis to Call of duty 4 then, shall we? No. Thats stupid.  Any idiot will know Crysis will look better because it was made for the best hardware at the time.

LordKhan 说:

I wish skyrim was primarily for the pc and not for consoles, i know you can inject it full of graphical steroids using mods but still , i actually plan to start modding for skyrim once i finish my business with warband. The ability to work with more hq textures and higher polys excites me.Btw You guys should see the Merp and blade mod for oblivion it had functional mount and blade combat and i think its being made for skyrim now.

But this is a 3d art thread on a taleworlds forum so i will stick to my 500 poly's and the 512 textures for now. 

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SacredStoneHead, take note from this guy. He gets it.

SacredStoneHead 说:

frell 说:

And way to compare Witcher 2, a game build only for top current PC's in 2011, to Skyrim, made for 2006 hardware. You flawlessly executed your knowing of all things.

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And you're being an atomic *******.

The argument was about graphics, not for what piece of hardware it was made. Both were released in 2011, so they can be compared, yes.

And if you take your head off your ass and read what I wrote, you'll note that I was not addressing just the graphic engine, but that Skyrim has too many design flaws to be considered a top notch graphic example for medieval stuff.

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Ok ill take my head off(?) my ass and tell you Skyrim isn't medieval. It isn't supposed to be. There is a HUGE difference between medieval and fantasy. They have dragons, guess they accidentally added wings onto the dinosaurs when making that MEDIEVAL game eh?


No no no no. The fact that they were both released in 2011 makes no difference

Witcher 2 was made for:
Top of the line 2011 cards available
At least 4gb RAM, most PC gamers have 8gm

Skyrim was made for:
2006 graphics card that is garbage and has been in the xbox since its RELEASE IN 2006 and renders at 1280x720 because its made for TV display.
512 MEGABYTES OF RAM.

Yes, there is a huge difference. I don't think you understand the types of memory limitations put on Bethesda in order to make the game run at their desired FPS on a console. They have to cut down on distance quality, texture quality, dynamic lighting, shadow resolution etc.


These games were not competing AT ALL because THEY CAN'T.

Skyrims market was consoles, Witcher was PC.

PC > CONSOLE


I bet you think PC BF3 and console BF3 look the exact same dont you? Because they were both released in the same year by the same company.

No, take a look. BF3 was developed for the PC exclusively and then ported to consoles. Look how much quality they had to cut down in order to make it work.





If you are going to continue to be completely ignorant about the games industry (and truly talking out of your ass) and how hardware even works you're going to be stuck on taleworlds forever.

SacredStoneHead 说:

Feragorn 说:

Making anything Medieval for Mount and Blade is pointless because it'll never look as good as Skyrim.

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Skyrim actually looks bad.

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On console. Get a good pc and max out the inis   And way to compare Witcher 2, a game build only for top current PC's in 2011, to Skyrim, made for 2006 hardware. You flawlessly executed your knowing of all things.


Slowly getting progress on this, been busy. Smoothing out the cloth a bit and getting ready to finalize it and start low poly


I did update the sword but it hasn't been brought into the new file, its less curvy and thick on the hilt now

Skyrim is fantasy medieval, MB wins in true medieval.


I mean not only will you not beat Red Orchestra 2 in graphics, but you definitely wont in gameplay.  MB gameplay will never fit ww2.

Making anything WW2 related for mount and blade is pointless because you will never beat Red Orchestra 2

Bgfan 说:

So, what project is that model for? I don't suppose it's M&B related?

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Oh god no. MB would cringe at the modern day character polycount and map resolutions

I used all real artifacts and paintings to create the model, but it should be thinner and less curved

Few tiny tweaks, getting ready to do the quiver

frell 说:

@Sacred, no. The mesh was prepared in Max and im currently using ZBrush, thanks!


Heres some updates

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Hey quys, im about to call the high poly finished (no picture yet) once I get the shoe laces and the quiver on


But im having trouble deciding on a quiver


This is the most commonly used one while traveling, since it covered the arrows and kept them dry in the rain, but then again during a battle they actually stuck the arrows in the ground in front of them because it was faster to knock them.





Or I can go with a more casual version and obviously rug it up to look more like it was quickly fashioned





Im putting the quiver on his right hip

I wrote this painting tutorial a while back if anyone is interested










http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/155/3/c/painting_tutorial_by_frell262-d52amuv.png

@Sacred, no. The mesh was prepared in Max and im currently using ZBrush, thanks!


Heres some updates