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Mars_Mullo 说:

Get an idea and use it repeatedly until you just know your sequence.

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Thanks, but I have to limit the time I can play a game like this (a game where I have to sit upright at the computer). Indeed, I haven't played at all for the past week, after my back went out. And I've typically got lots of other games I'm playing, as well.

So, yes, that's what I did in the original Mount & Blade (as I say, it was easier then), but nearly every game has keys I need to remember, and unless I play a lot of the same game - and keep playing it constantly, which is not going to happen - it's not going to become automatic.

I appreciate the reply, but I don't know how to knit, either. Heh, heh. Seriously, learning is fun, but I don't get self-satisfaction from playing a game really well. I learn in other ways. Games are just for fun.

Yes, I would like that, too. Is there even a way to set a starting formation, so that my troops can at least start the battle in a reasonable way?

Alternately - or additionally - it would be great to have the option to pause combat when we open up the F1 battle menu. As it is, the battle is often over before I've even figured out the menu.

That's ridiculous, since in real-life, I'd have no problem just yelling out what I wanted my troops to do. And, of course, I'd have taught them what formation to use at the start of a battle, too. (On the other hand, I'd actually die in real-life, and I don't want the game that realistic. Heh, heh.)

I play lots of different games, and remembering the complicate key-presses required of each of them is beyond my abilities!

kalitbartman 说:

having a tactical pause option would be good so slower players and give orders and organize without getting killed or enemies getting closer to the player

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Yes, I would love that! Just as an option for players like me, of course. You wouldn't have to use it.

But typically, the battle is over before I finish fiddling with the F1 menu, trying to figure out how to give orders. This is much worse than in the previous games, where enemies started further away from my army and the tactical menu wasn't so confusing, anyway.

This is hard to learn while the action is continuing all around me, and even if I do figure it out, I'm never going to learn it well enough to remember it on a later play of the game. And it's not at all realistic, since if I could just yell out what I wanted my guys to do (or give them initial orders ahead of time), as I would in reality, that would be easy.

Zydrate 说:

AutoBlocker

AutoBlocker allows players to choose from a variety of block styles for both their weapon and shield.

www.nexusmods.com

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Thanks! I'll check that out.

Now, I don't suppose there's a mod which will pause combat when I open the F1 orders menu, is there?

I'm struggling to figure out how to give orders to my troops before the battle is already over. It's not at all intuitive to me. It's worse than in the previous games. And if I do figure it out, I'm not going to play it enough to remember it the next time I play it.

Other than the combat, I've been enjoying the game. Admittedly, I haven't been doing anything but traveling around, exploring.

SoldierHair 说:

The people that are trying to give advice on how to get better are missing the entire point of the thread, Jesus Christ. It's almost like they didn't even read the OP.

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Yes, I agree. But I appreciate the replies, nonetheless.

And yes, I also know I could just play as a commander. I could do that in Warband, too, but it wasn't fun. The original game was fun because of the combat, even when I was terrible at it.

If this is even harder than Warband, then forget it. I'll just play something else instead. Maybe I'll wait for mods and try it when the game gets super-cheap.

It's just that watching videos of this make me remember how much fun the original game was. But that one stopped working for me when I upgraded to Windows 10 (and I've got it on two different platforms, plus my original purchase directly from Taleworlds).

Thanks again for the replies, everyone.

godling 说:

Another option is Gog.com ... Good Old Games.  They have a steam-free download that works (I've just tested)...

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Thanks, Jon. As it turns out, I've already got it at GOG.com (they were giving it away as a free promotion one time). I'd forgotten that. But it's good to know that version works.

I won't try it immediately, since I've got too many games to play, already. Fallout 4 has been incredible, and I stumbled across Eador: Genesis (at GOG.com, though it's on sale at Steam right now for only $1.19) that's a little gem.

Even retirement doesn't give me enough time to play everything, though I'm giving it a good try.

Bill

Joel muth 说:

all you need is your activation serial number! this is the copy that i downloaded directly from taleworlds.

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That did not work for me. And yes, it was the serial number I received with the game I bought directly from Taleworlds in 2008.

Congratulations, bossmob. But I don't have a CD. I bought it in 2008 as a download, direct from TaleWorlds, and that's where I downloaded it from the last time I installed it, too. (I still have the serial number.)

Oh, well, I've uninstalled the game now. And I just bought Fallout 4, so that will keep me busy enough for awhile. But if they have a particularly good sale at Steam sometime, I might pick it up, just in case.

Have fun.

Sorry, I don't have an answer. I uninstalled the game, myself.

Note that I, too, would like to see a Mount & Blade mod for Warband, since the latter game was a complete waste of money for me. But I doubt if that's possible.

Because of Warband, I'll be very careful at buying anything else from Taleworlds, but... you win some and you lose some. And I certainly got my money's worth from the original Mount & Blade. That was a great game, and I played it for years (without every getting much better at it - heh, heh). So I really can't complain.

Nope. Same problem here. (And there's another post on this board where others are also having this problem.)

Yeah, same problem here.

I can't play Warband, with the changes they made to the fighting. That was a waste of money right from the start. But I still play the original game occasionally. As bad as I am with it, it's still lots of fun.

But it won't run at all now, not since I upgraded to Windows 10. It shows up as a background process in Task Manager, but that's all.

QuailLover 说:

I thought there was an option in the menu to change how the lance is controlled.

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Not unless it's from a new patch or something. Admittedly, it's been awhile since I tried to play Warband.

The lance jumps unpredictably from one side of the horse to the other, even when I don't even touch the mouse but just ride straight ahead. And in tournaments, a lance went from being the best weapon to completely useless (at least, for me). I need the full length of the arena just to get a lance to lower. (Of course, my enemies don't conveniently wait for me, but move into the middle where I can't harm them at all.)

It's not just the lance. They seem to have made mounted combat harder in general - less reach or something. And since I was terrible at it in the first place, that's not anything I needed. I often used a sword, when it didn't really matter if I hit anything. But a lance was always so much fun.

Now, I understand that most players probably wanted a harder game. I don't have any problem with that, just that they didn't leave the easier way of fighting for people like me. This game used to be FUN. Now, it's just frustrating.

Of course, I'm much older than most gamers. I didn't grow up with video games, and I'm hopelessly inept at pretty much anything that isn't turn-based. But as I say, Mount&Blade was fun!  I played it for years, starting while it was still in beta. I was always very, very bad at it, but at the easiest difficulty, I could still play it. More importantly, I could still have fun with it. That's why Warband was so terribly disappointing.

Well, that's the way it goes. I've got other games I can play. I just hadn't looked into Warband mods (or Mount&Blade mods, for that matter), so I thought there might be a chance... But not a very good chance, I knew. Maybe in a few more years I'll get senile enough that the original Mount&Blade will seem new again. 

Thanks for the reply.

AlesaunderBecc 说:

Long gone are the days in which I would grab my army of a 80 men and proceed to carve my way through 3-4 hundred enemies But it was glorious!

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Heh, heh. I was never that good. But yes, it was fun. That's what Warband has lost, for me (just for me - I understand that others might think differently).

I see that in other games, too, where the sequels are more elaborate, more "realistic" (as if the skills needed to play a game were at all similar to combat skills in reality), certainly more advanced than the original,... but just not as much fun. And fun is why I play games.

I'm not giving up on the game, but they've definitely made it less fun for me. Much less fun. So I'll be playing other games, instead - for awhile. But I'll keep coming back to try this one, though probably just for relatively brief periods of time (unless something changes dramatically).

Ironically, re. that mod, one of the reasons I decided to get Warband was because I thought that the modding community had probably moved to that. I was actually going to look for something like the Custom Settlement Mod, because I tend to like building - building a town, building a community, building a society - in games. But I didn't actually get that far.

Well, I have no shortage of games to play. Just the reverse, in fact. But as bad as I am at the fighting, I was always wild about Mount & Blade. I love open-ended games like this, and I'd never seen anything like the mounted combat (still haven't). But in moving to appeal to their most loyal fans, I suspect that they've forgotten about less-capable players like me, people who are more concerned about having fun than about the exact position of a sword blade.

Of course, I am far older than most gamers, so I'm not exactly the target demographic for any game developer. That's perfectly understandable. I can hardly demand that games be made to suit my tastes.

OK, I did some experimenting with the custom battles. Those were helpful in seeing where my problems were.

First, it seems to me that horses don't get up to speed very fast in Warband. At least, lances seem to take longer to couch. And I'll be racing full-out across reasonably level ground, but just before I get to the enemy, my character will often slow down and pull his lance up, for no apparent reason. It's frustrating, and no fun at all.

I tried the manual couching, but trying to press "x" while also using w,a,s,d to maneuver my horse is way past my skill level. I also tried removing my hand from the mouse entirely, when using the automatic couch. But my character still kept switching the lance from one side of his horse's head to the other (right through the head of my horse, which is some trick!).

It was still better than trying to couch in tournaments, but not enough, not for me. And I tried thrusting with the lance, but I almost never got the timing right. On the rare occasions when I did, my enemies would block it. No, I thought that lancing in the first game was great fun - one of the things I really loved about the game - but it looks like I'm going to have to give it up entirely in Warband.

While I was using the custom battles, I experimented with swords from horseback, too. I was never very good at that, not nearly as good as with a lance (or so I thought), but it was still possible for me to use them. Archonsod says that cavalry swords in Warband have a more limited range than before, and that's probably a big reason why they no longer work for me, but it's not the only change.

I used to be able to cock a sword on the right side of my horse and ride around the battlefield, trying to get close enough to swing at an enemy. Of course, they'd block it if they saw me coming, but battles are chaotic enough that I could often surprise them.

However, whenever I try that now, my character jumps around like a spastic gerbil, moving his sword from one position to another for no apparent reason. It's ugly and it's distracting. I don't know if that's why I can't hit anything - maybe that has more to do with the shorter range - but it sure as heck doesn't help. (I've not been able to try the hafted blade yet, because I couldn't find a mounted character in the custom battles who had one.)

At this point, it looks like the only mounted combat they haven't ruined for me (I'm speaking about just myself, admittedly an inept Mount & Blade player) is the archery. I haven't used it as much, but I don't see any big differences. Maybe the enemy is better at using shields - in tournaments, they certainly seem to block thrown weapons regularly! - but that could just be my imagination.

So, thanks for the suggestions here, but I'll probably move on. This has been disappointing, but I've got a lot of other games to play. I usually jump from one to another, anyway (maybe one reason why I don't excel at any of them), and I certainly got my money's worth from the original Mount & Blade.

I won't give this game up entirely, but it's just not as fun as it used to be. So I think there are other games I'd rather be playing right now. Thanks again for the advice!

Kazzan 说:

Hm, there are different characters you can play as on the custom battle, set the enemy to 100% infantry and then pick Konrad, you can ride around and train lancing, the desert map or farmhouse would be best for this.

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OK, thanks! I haven't explored the custom battles much, just tried them once. But that sounds like it might help a lot.

Orion 说:

I know you said you aren't interested in the multiplayer, but there are several players (European and American, whichever side of the pond you're on) that would be willing to help you learn and wouldn't use the opportunity to just beat up on a new guy.

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Hey, I appreciate the offer, but I suspect that it would be frustrating for both of us. 

Really, I'll just keep plugging away at it. I don't ever get very good at "real-time" combat of any kind. You probably have a hard time understanding that, but it's true. I can improve a little bit, though, and that's all I really need here.

But I do appreciate the offer - and all of the suggestions I've been getting here.

Orion 说:

This gives you more control of your swing, allowing for more precision against enemies.

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Heh, heh. Precision is the last thing I need! The changes they've made to the game make it almost impossible for me to play it at all.

As I noted, the change to lancing is the worst. I'm still trying various options, but if I get a lance in a tournament, I might as well just tab out immediately. Either the arenas are smaller or running enemies are faster, because I can't even get enough distance to attack with a lance - even if I don't try to couch it.

A lance used to be the easiest weapon in a tournament, but now it's just a guarantee that I can't win (and I can't seem to find other weapons lying around, like I used to, so that I could take one of them, instead).

But even using a sword is harder. When I get a 2-handed sword on horseback, I can't believe how difficult it is now. And I don't have a clue what I'm doing wrong. If I knew why, maybe I could fix it.

At any rate, I can play the game as a merchant, avoiding battles. But how much fun is that? And I suppose I could concentrate on charisma and just manage my troops. There's some appeal to that, I guess. But that's not what made the original Mount & Blade so much fun.

Still, I'm not going to re-install the old game. I'd had enough of that, finally. I'll keep trying this, until it just gets too frustrating. And I still have the With Fire and Sword expansion to try.

But I'm going to be very cautious about buying future games from TaleWorlds. If this is the direction they're going, it's just not going to work for me. (But I understand that most of their customers probably do enjoy this kind of thing, and that's fine.)

Kazzan 说:

Have you tried the training from the main menu?

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The tutorial? Yes, but they don't make it easy to just pick up a weapon and practice with it. I can't get a lance until I ride the horse around the track once (which isn't such a big deal), and then it vanishes after I use it, so I can't keep practicing. It doesn't seem to be designed for training, but only to teach you the controls.

And the Quick Battles aren't any better. Apparently, you can't even outfit your character. I tried one battle, and my character ended up without even a horse.

I can fight in the Arena, but that's always on foot. That's great, but I really need to learn how to fight on horseback.