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As I had said at the end of my post...Heavy Winged Mace is blunt damage. So is Militairy hammer for that matter. I found them both at Suno for cheap. They are 20-30 B but I haven't found better. Still with a high one-handed and on a horse that should be more then enough for most things. If you are wanting it for DKs, well goodluck with that.



E: Switched to the proper name there.

I think there are a couple of morning star/maces that are blunt. Though I could be wrong, look for a Heavy Winged Mace.

Also as far as the deserting goes, I find that if you cap them during the day. And then get into a quick fight they tend not to leave. Not sure why, that just seems to cement them into your group.

I'd say yes to that. I would like (As your own ruler/lord) to take prisoners from your own patrols however. As I've seen some of my patrols with 10 units and 100 prisoners, some of which were good. Something does need to be done. Soooo yeah... I second something to be done here

Max Path-Finding, Elite Rangers and Master Crusaders, you will literally out run everything on the map. No lies. Even with an army of 400 you can pull of 7-8 Speed in the daytime with maxed path-finding <_<;

I have to agree to some extent. It's the reason I almost always use fulll cavalry. Namely Master Crusaders, Lordless Knights etc etc etc. Cause really 300  Master Crusaders cut down pretty much everything I've come against so far with very VERY little issue. The initial charge completely obliterates 80% of the enemy. And I keep my cavarly on follow and just lead them time and time again on heavy wedge charges into the enemy. The only people this doesn't work on as well are the Rhodoks, whom I usually dismount and bash up anyway cause they suck VS Master Crusaders on the ground, and the Dark Knights, whom obliterate everything else anyway. =p

Yeah I take out the Swadians ASAP in my games, generally by day 75=100 I've taken Dhirim Ushxal and Suno from them. And when the Dark Knights come they sack Praven then come directly for my stuff every damn time. It plays hell cause it means I'm being attacked by 3 kingdoms at once since the Rhodoks always seem to hate me to.

Cheat free here as well. But I tend to feast on mountain bandits etc.

Josef_the_Pretender 说:

RegalKain 说:

While I'm going to say it, please bear in mind I say it only in light of this conversation, as I realize it'd be alot to code....

If you want to challenge the game, take all the factions down to 2-3 towns/castles a piece. And that is together so a "power" say Swadians for example, have Praven Haringoth and another little castle near them (Another escapes me ATM) other smaller powers (You can  list half a million ) can start with just a castle and it's fiefdom, and go from there. Make a ton of them, think Romance of the Three Kingdoms, lots of people starting off, most of them are very small.

It'd be alot more aggressive take over I guess you'd say. And while I realize it doesn't go to "historic" well, it is a game. Some of the things I've seen just completely kill the history aspect.

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Good idea....but with 2/3 fiefs apiece, would the player receive a huge advantage through being able to roam the map beating loads of bandit parties and powering up much faster than the AI?

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Yes and no. I have also stated instead of more invasions or beefing DKs etc, to give the AI a real boost. Let;s face it any seasoned player or anyone importing a 20+ char breezes through everything
The only challenge at all is the Dark Knights, everyone else falls like flies, and the Dark Knights are easy if you catch them looting villages with a bunch of Master Crusaders in your team, they get stomped down pretty nicely by the cavalry charge (Though you still take losses, not nearly as many.)

So if you go with my suggestion of course you'd have to seriously beef up the AI, or slack up on how fast the player can get around to doing things.

You have to have a really high looting skills for one. But I to have fought/beaten almost all of the lords and kings several times, and gotten very very little in the way of uniques, the best I have gotten is usually from the crusader bands and that is just plate armors etc. Which do me no damn good since no town saves up to 10K denars to sell the things.

While I'm going to say it, please bear in mind I say it only in light of this conversation, as I realize it'd be alot to code....

If you want to challenge the game, take all the factions down to 2-3 towns/castles a piece. And that is together so a "power" say Swadians for example, have Praven Haringoth and another little castle near them (Another escapes me ATM) other smaller powers (You can  list half a million ) can start with just a castle and it's fiefdom, and go from there. Make a ton of them, think Romance of the Three Kingdoms, lots of people starting off, most of them are very small.

It'd be alot more aggressive take over I guess you'd say. And while I realize it doesn't go to "historic" well, it is a game. Some of the things I've seen just completely kill the history aspect.

I concur on the crown thing, honestly if I could swap textures and replace the winged great helm and the crown I would. Cause I love it, but it's a heavy hit in head armor.

Yrodrik 说:

Mini Marine 说:

When anyone else charges out of the castle at you, it puts you in a great position to slaughter them...when the DKs charge out, well, then you are just pretty much boned.

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What if you were to use a 100% archer army, and put a heavy board shield on your back, and one on your arm, and just stand at the bottom of the ladder to keep them occupied while your archers attack?... Or would they simply jump off the ladder and surround you?

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Dark Knights just jump down and rape you, in the butt, then the face. Then chop yours off and continue. <_<

Don't feel bad I did the same thing glad it is working for you! Let's hope the other fellow also fixed his problem.

I would just like to say this.

Do not try and get a kingdom until you can afford to recruit Xerina and Alyssa without a sweat (Both if I recall have an over 10K price tag) once you can do that it's pretty easy to build a garrison as you have the money to throw around.

Secondly, never go for a castle as your first initial kingdom starter. Go for a Capital City (IE: Praven, Suno, Dhirim etc) I personally went for Dhirim, but that is cause in almost all my games I tend to butter up the Vaegirs and the Nords, so I am in good relations with them, and Dhirim is nestled pretty close to both of em, but it still held by the Swadian.

I personally play with TONS of cavalry units, do this with some path-finding and you can move at 6-7 on the map with an army of 200+ makes getting troops, reknown etc alot easier since virtually nothing that can beat you can out run you, and every worth the money and time can be run down.

Also note that make sure you seperate your skills (Works better in my opinion) by that I mean, have your Heros all specilize in one skill, it makes capturing easier simply for the fact that by level 20 you should have several skills at 8-10 since you and your heros are all sticking to one and "mastering" it as it were.

SirLunchAlot 说:

**Selecting the "Camp" option causes the screen to fill with error messages in red font, or crashes the game**

I've seen other people mention this on this thread, but no response to it yet.

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Try to re-patch to 5.7 I hadn't patched properly the first time I did the NE mod and it was doing this to me, to fully patch you have to DL and patch 2 things, not just the first link.

To the other fellow, completely uninstall M&B (Make a copy of your save files or export your character and copy that folder) and delete all files/folders in that location, then try again.

I could be wrong but...aren't princes alot easier to get then say Master Crusaders? Also aren't they wages a bit less then say...Master Crusader? <_<


They are Princes after all, and while yes they have the money to spend on it, I've never seen a place with under 100 castles and over 500 princes in a single army eithier....so if we're going for realism.... and only realism. Cap any top-tier noble unit at 15 per army? <_< But really that's rather pointless.

Just don't use em, the normal factions aren't the challenge anyway, they are fodder to level on until the Dark Knights invade.

Awwww man. That's a hard choice no lag or no trees Y_Y I will prolly do it and see how it looks, I appreciate this a ton though man thanks!

ejnomad07 说:

Can we have a Unicorn added? Its charge would do great damage. 

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I want unicorn D:


I currently have them turned off, but that's only because I am alone and at war with every other faction Y_Y So I have a hard enough time dodging them since I only have two hero-lords.

(Seriously if you want to add challenge, start a new game and character, and just start attacking everyone, go crazy. Ten to one says you would prefer the DKs )

Gives me an ideal for the suggestion thread though....

You can also set the combat speed to Faster, and get the army modifier mod if you like being raped repeatedly. Just my opinion though. But yeah it's alot harder. Though my biggest problem is usually archers, I can soak up most of the other damages (Excep maybe axes or halberdiers) but my god man, if a single freaking arrow hits me my ass is grass.

Uhhh....try giving us some more details...but I will try to help best I can...


You do not RUN the mod, you run mount and blade and in the modules section of the main menu you change which one you are currently using. This one should say Native Expansion, if you are running steam try to uninstall it and re-install the game, then re-apply the patch and running the game itself not the mod...if this is not your issue I apologize, but we can't really grasp what you are saying, so please give us some more details and error messages etc.