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  1. Empire: Total War

    Wahey! Just ordered a copy of ETW. Fingers crossed it's runs on the laptop.


    @ Ealabor, I've spoilered my resonse in deference to Arch.

    ealabor said:
    Also that miltia defeated the British expeditionary force at New Orleans.. 5000 milita vs 11000 Brit regulars, so whats the excuse there?  :wink:

    Your fleet also got stuffed by our frigates, which resulted in your side issuing orders for your navy not to engage our frigates, unless they outnumbered our ships

    This is because the construction of our ships were superior to yours. Your cannon rounds had a tendancy to bounce off our frigate's hulls. This is a result of construction when used with southern live oak.


    It wasn't about territorial gains, it was about telling the Brits to **** off when it came to taking our sailors, and a few other policies. Any territorial gains would have been secondary, and not the objective, which was achieved.
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    Regarding the waffle about militia and regulars, American regular troops outnumbered British regular troops until the last year of the War. American militia bought American forces to aound half a million, eight times British forces.

    New Orleans was an arch cock up, It hardly needs explaining. Armies lose battles. The USA lost most of their battles in the first year of the revolution, but still won, the previous battles mean little. Orleans was lost because the British attack was led by an incompetent against a well entrenched force led by someone with reasonable military knowledge.

    Regarding the fleet, the type of construction probably did affect the outcome, America had new 'super' frigates, with thicker hulls and more guns that most of the British ships in the area (Britain had in 1811 started making hulls along the same French design, but almost all ships in the Americas were old or captured craft, the better ships being reserved for service in Europe).

    Finally,
    It WAS about territorial gains. Jefferson was in favour of either annexing or forming a second republic in Canada, and Franklin had previously (during the Paris peace conference) tried to get Canada to join the congress. Launching three successive invasions of Canada can hardly be seen as a coincidence, and impressment seems a cause for diplomacy not war (especially considerin it was almost entirely British citizens being impressed from off American ships).
    America was a particularly virulent imperial power, don't forget that after America won it's independence the USA consisted of only the states of the eastern seaboard, everything else was nicked off the various Indian tribes, Mexico, Spain and Canada making the American empire smaller only than the British, French and Spanish empires.

  2. Empire: Total War

    ealabor said:
    Dain Ironfoot said:
    I enjoyed it before it got all "Glorious American Freedom!" having just read Fusiliers, that rang quite hollow.
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    Indeed it was "Glorious American Freedom!".

    Victory against the "Most powerful army in all of the world". A complete saga including great storyline from land to sea, including schooners claiming prizes on your British warships.

    All great, though I'd have to say secondary to the events which took place in the war of 1812. Beating the Brits at Baltimore, and later at New Orleans where the Brits even outnumbered us, still lost.

    Oh, there is of course the U.S.S. Constitution which ran your British fleet into the ground :mrgreen:
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    We burnt the white house.
    Giggle.


    It's worth bearing in mind too that 19,000 American troops died during the campaign, only 4000 British troops died (you're lot kept ****ting in your drinking water). Nice victory my son!




    It's impossible to claim 1812 as a victory (however much America wanted to), fighting against a military force of roughly equal size America gained none of the land it wanted (except bizarrely off neutral Spain), lost considerably more men through combat and campaigning, had it's capital sacked and had it's economy almost crippled by the Royal Navy's blockade.


    Back on topic, I haven't been able to afford ETW yet, howeer when I do, is it necessry to run it through steam? I hope not. I hate that program with intense passion.

  3. The UK...

    Leprechaun said:
    Archonsod said:
    I wouldn't expect it to be too exciting this time around.
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    Hate to be the one to point out the bleedin' obvious, Arch, but it's cricket.
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    Cricket isn't meant to be exciting, it's like foie gras, handel and countdown, collectively great as they may be you can't gratify yourself to them (now that vorderman's gone anyway).

  4. MP Musket Era The Peninsular War - Napoleonic Warband mod - scene editors needed

    Ruthven said:
    Pics and I might accept.  :razz:
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    How an embrace be conveyed through daguerrotype is beyond me.


    Tiberius Decimus Maximus said:
    95Rifles said:
    Ruthven is 13, be very careful.
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    ITS A TRAP!
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    In Hussey's embrace no one can hear you dial child line...
    In the grandest  tradition of petulent defence, he threatened to kill me first your honour.

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    Ruthven said:
    I'm leaving for the UK very soon Dain. Be afraid. Be very, very afraid.




    Hussey, you're next on my list.
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    I'll welcome you enthusiastically, ecstatically and indeed erotically with a nice, naked and naturally naughty embrace dontcha know.

  6. MP Musket Era The Peninsular War - Napoleonic Warband mod - scene editors needed

    Provision for live rounds was introduced just prior to the Crimean war I believe, but as you say to varying degrees it had been used prior to that date. 40 rounds seems reasonable for a line regiment, however excavations at Shorncliffe suggest that the light infantry used considersbly more (lots of lead found, and most of it would have been taken from the butts after firing as lead is and was an expensive commodity)

    Regarding the mad minute, it seems a bit less impressive GI Joe doing it with his automatic rifle than tommy with his bolt action :razz: As for wasting ammunition, this seems strange as the emphasis in the British army (so presumably in the US Army) was on both speed and accuracy (both were achieved by altering the SMLE drill to firing with the midde finger, allowing the index and thumb to work the bolt while the middle remained poised on the trigger, it also reduced the extent of arm movement which caused soldiers to drop the rifle from line of aim)
    If you ever get chance to have a whirl with an SMLE give it a go, I once managed to fire 28 rounds to the minute, but the accuracy was appaling. Similarly to meet the required accuracy at that distance it took me just under 9 minutes, nine times as long as tommy atkins.


    It is strange (if explainable) that the British army were apparently better marksmen than their contemporaries, similar claims have been made about British troops abilities in close combat (particularly the gaelic regiments) which are impossible to substantiate in any way, or even rationalalise in any way (although fear of men in skirts could be pleaded).

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    malthaussen said:
    Since I'm here, I'll float another thought for your delectation.  One of the books I've been reading recently has a quote from a Brit of his commander shouting "Aim low, boys, and spoil their hope of future generations!"  In re the marksmanship issue, which was once so dear to the British Army before automatic weapons came in and made aiming redundant, I think of the French naval tendency to shoot for the masts, while the British navy famously tried to hull their opponents.  I read somewhere-or-other, in re modern war, that those soldiers who bother to fire their weapons in a firefight (not many) tend to aim high.  I once had a conversation with a WWII vet, who hastened to assure me (unsolicited) that, with the 80th Infantry Division from Normandy to V-E Day, he never tried to shoot anyone.  "I shot out a lot of windows,"  was his quote.

    Incredible as it may seem to us gamers, there is some reason to believe that most soldiers don't try to kill the other guys if they can avoid it.  Only when closely supervised by an NCO or officer will they expose themselves, however briefly, to take a crack at the guys trying to kill them.  At first, this may seem irrelevant to our period, because in linear formation all soldiers are closely supervised by NCOs and officers, and presumably have to shoot.  However, they can aim where they please -- a slight inclination of the muzzle will make the round miss high, without being noticed by the supervising official.

    Maybe the British were so successful because they were more bloodthirsty.

      -- Mal
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    There's an old chestnut that appears in discussion from time to time, whether or not it's true I couldn't say. It goes that British troops during the American revolution saw their rifle bearing oppenents as morally reprehensible, by actively aiming at an enemy they were guilty of murder, while British troops and American regulars by firing a sightless musket were merely committing the receiver to the judgement of god. An interesting if impeccably flawed logic if true.


    Regarding the British dominance over the French as you were discussing earlier, I think you may have overlooked the impetus the British army has on marksmanship and rate of fire, Bernard Cornwell often trots out that Britain was the only nation that fired live rounds in training (God bless Sir John Moore), and looking at timetables for drilling shooting drill is not insubstantial, despite not having read a French equivalent it seems no amount of practice with blanks could compensate for this disadvantage.
    Similarly, during the Crimean war Russian and French onlookers commented on the accuracy of the new minie and enfield rifles, and the marksmanship of the soldiers behind them (the America attache to Raglans staff commented that a British infantryman was as skilled and well equipped as an American marksman).
    During the first world war, infantrymen the British Expeditionary Force (which incidentally is probably the finest army ever fielded by any power from ancient Rome to modern America, and the most ruthlessly squandered) were expected to be able to perform the "mad minute", 30 accurate rounds at 200 yards in a minute (yes that means reloading the magazine twice, working the bolt 28 times and pulling the trigger 30 times within a mere sixty seconds), at the battle of Mons attacking Germans were convinced British troops were supported by machine guns the rate of fire was so intense.
    Even as early as the Falklands war, British troops enjoyed an (estimated) accuracy rate of 7% with small arms, to the Argentines 2%.

    All in all it's hard to avoid the inevitable conclusion, that leads one to doubt sources and ones own knowledge.

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    Break open the brandy and cigars, page 141 has no information germane to the mod.

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    Knight_Henry said:
    I would've thought you chaps for Military History, I deferred my entry last year and start War Studies this Sept. Possibly thinking of popping to Sandhurst afterwards, haven't made m'mind up yet! Fancy the Navy eh Hussey? Why so, if you don't mind me asking old fellow??
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    Several reasons all of impeccable and indeed immaculate logic, I couldn't bear to be without a flushing lavatory for extended periods of time, Deserts don't appeal, the Navy is fully unisex (if you're not on the boats) and has the highest female participation percentage in the forces, it's also undoubtedly the most historically influential branch of any nations military anywhere in the world.
    Mostly though it's because I'd like to do Warfare Officer specialised as Hydrographics and meteorology, and I got a national schlarship in atmospherics and ocean geography, so it's playing to my strengths as it were.

    Brudelas said:
    bbeck08 said:
    He loves being surrounded by seamen?  :eek: :razz:
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    No.
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    Don't judge me. I could you know. I could.

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    After Naval Officer training you get a foundation degree in management, I'd like to bump that up to a full degree, and get a seperate degree in Archaeology and Anthropology.
    End goal would be after my 12 year commision and a couple of years field archaeology to get into site directing for a museum (one of the only ways to make money from Archaeology). Or just stay in the Navy and sink Somali pirates. Ooo arr!

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    Arg... Pressed remove not modify...

    Dain Ironfoot said:
    Yup, I'm with Exeter.
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    How are you finding it? If I can get the Navy bursary I'll be choosing between Oxford (I have the three A's required, still a fairly long shot though I guess), Exeter and Bristol. I' appreciate your views on Exeter.

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    Ah, I forgot the lure of my homeland got you taffy (born on the border or Cornwall and Devon, the two bestestest counties in the UK), which university are you with? I know Exeter has a Cornwall campus, but apart from that I don't know any Cornish based uni's.

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    Seems a thoroughly good idea there, Napoleonic India is too romantic to completely throw away. And I still have the Indian tunics, so I'd just have to knock up some matchlocs and it'd be sorted.
    Might be fun to make some Egyptian quick battles as well (just those between France and Britain, sod making all the stuff for Marmelukes).

    This mod shall be infinitely better anyway, better models, better version of M&B for guns etc, scrounging of formations/artillery and suchlike and Dain has an almost surreal capacity to juggle university, social life and modding, which I didn't.

  14. MP Musket Era The Peninsular War - Napoleonic Warband mod - scene editors needed

    The 72nd or the 42nd are the best bets to be honest, they are along with the 92nd the most famous highland regiments, and the 92nd were most definately trousered. Give the Highland light infantry (as in Light infantry regiment rather than company) trews if you're including them (which you should as that fantastic bonnet Highelf made would go splendidly with a pair of trews) and any other scots can have trousers or breeches.

    Dain, the alphas are history, geography, archaeology or indeed any social science of your choice.
    By the new textures what d'you mean? I just took the tailcoat1/2/3/4.dds files and went straight at them. brfedit is being dueced tricky on my laptop so I have avoidedthe brf files except to rectify those wee bugs stopping the mod from booting. Did you want them altered in brfedit so as not to create extra texture files? I'm not entirely sure how to go about that but I'm happy to have a crack at it.

    Selothi,
    I have in the last five or six months overdosed on the writings P.G. Wodehouse (of Jeeves and Wooster fame) so I type and indeed talk with a distinct taste of 1930's Britain.

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    Selothi said:
    Wow, talk about over-reacting to a simple request to STOP BEING OFF-TOPIC in a mod development thread. But meh, if you feel so inclined to hijack a thread to tell us all of the ancient origins of the various words used to describe leg-wear, be my guess. I'm not saying it sucks or anything, etymology can be very interesting, I'm seeing it hasn't got a place in this thread which is being hijacked way too often.

    Oh, and BTW, nice job on those tests. Now, get that head out of your ass and wash it in the water you might just be spending your time on.
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    Sorry old chap flippancy doesn't come off well across the internet it appears. An emoticon with a tongue out would be appropriate, but I can't bring myself to add to the worlds already manifold misery with another one of those sardonic evil smiling little yellow bastards...
    Dain clicked me, that said he's known me for longer so realises I can be somewhat... Erratic; best not to take anything I say particularly seriously, even if I'm being of the rude persuasion. That said, I think it was quite a well constructed and thought through bit of insanity and vitriol though what?
    To be honest though, you need to consider what "spam" is. As pretty much all information pertaining to the development of this mod is discussed off forum, and as the flow of news is heralded with a degree of vigour by Dain, historic discussion relevant to the era is frankly harmless, and not, speaking humbly, suitable to be classed with all the drivel this thread tends to accumulate, such as people asking whether its ready, if there will be Prussians and so on. Which similarly is at least tenuously on topic, but is most certainly "spam" to use the internet patois.
    I should add also from my own previous mod threads, it is only decent to leave the author of said thread to make the distinction of what it relevant or permittable in his own thread.

    Dain Ironfoot said:
    Well it was a somewhat bizarre that regiments were forbidden to wear kilts for a few years! Luckily by the Hundred days the kilts were flapping in the breeze again
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    Tail end of the Dress Act me old pumpkin, although the army was exempt from the kilt ban it was still an unpopular symbol of the Jacobite (especially as most Officers of Highland regiments were English or at least lowland Scots), and as the high command of the Army of the era in question were older chaps they had lived through the Dress act and even Even though it started reappearing to a degree in the military and civvie street after the Dress act was repealed in 1782 the kilt never really hit the scene big time until 1822 when George IV wore one on his trip to Scotland.


    QuailLover said:
    I thought there was a Highland grenadier or engineer group that wore kilts. (I could be wrong, but this was based off remembering a research paper I did years ago)
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    I'm afraid there's no such thing as a Highland Engineer old boy. As for Grenadiers sporting the free and easy attire of the Highlander whilst their lessers languished leg-bound, I've certainly never heard of that happening.

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    Selothi said:
    Cut the etymological spam, please. Thank you.
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    Go **** yourself you arse munching wankpot, place your petite testicles upon the anvil of communication and give them a sound and thorough pounding with the hammer of being too ****ing mouthy for your own good. Nosey ****.

    And you have the gall to thank me for something which now I have little intent to do you whining todger taster, in regard of this I feel duty bound to inform you that "Pantaloon" as a description of a garment was given in cause of an Italian  renaissance comedic character who wore distinctive trousers.
    Good day.

    On a lighter note, I passed the Royal Navy interviews and intelligence tests today, and still had time to make some more colour variations for the civilian clothes.

  17. SP Musket Era New Mod "Napoleon Ways To The Power"[CAncelled to further Notices]

    Swadii said:
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    Lord Nelson did well considering he was dead eight years by 1813.

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    I shouldn't think so, it's from "Triubhas" (or later "Truis") in Gaelic, the word trouser itself is derived of "Truis", replacing the Latinised Roman "Bracca" (i.e. Breeches). Which of course explains why it has been Anglified (not many Portuguese adaptions in English).

    Ref, The Oxford Etymological dictionary.

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    bbeck08 said:
    I hope I can join a highland brigade.  :grin: And just curious I'm not to sure about the history and I'm off to class right now so I can't look it up, but did the scots greys play a role? They assumed the nickname in 1877 I believe and the time period of this mod has slipped my mind.
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    Incorrect old todger, they have been nicknamed the Grey dragoons or Scots Greys pretty much since their formation, the name became official in 1877 whe they were renamed 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys) rather than just plain old 2nd Dragoons.

    Amman de Stazia said:
    Interestingly enough, I found a source for the Highland Light Infantry wearing kilts - Their uniform according to Haythornthwaite's "Uniforms of the Peninsula War" should be trews...
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    Ah, I see you have chanced 'pon those most mystical of topics, which scots wore kilts, trews or trouser? I  took the view that noone else knows, so take the most appealing choice.

    Dain Ironfoot said:
    Erm Amman, the OSP 18th century uniforms don't really work with the rest of the models in TPW due to the way they're set up.. while it's not a bad idea, making variations on the civillian models in the current release BRFs would be more useful.
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    I have made a couple of variants for each of the three civvie textures, were the alpha channels relevant though? I got a pop up saying photoshop had removed the alpha when saving.

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    What ho plebs, would anyone mind giving a rough summary of whats happened in the last 45 posts? I'm afraid I'm on considerably too slow internet to be bothered finding out myself.
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