Code of conduct?

[Etrepcar]

What lets you think "a bunch" of mods would misuse it? This is not politics, they don't gain anything by banning people. Jus take a look at how this forum is run. Exemplary. All the mods are long term players who care about the game and the community. They don't get anything for being mods, only the previledge to support the community. There is no corruption or anything like that happening, what lets you think it'll be any different in the game?

To say they don't gain anything by banning people is an understatement (and a possible fabrication). They gain adrenaline and a feeling of power they don't have in real life. Silly as that sounds, most people will do anything to even have a little of them.

Dictators (hyperbole, I know) also do petty things to support their inferiority/superiority complex like organizing lavish parties and sport events while their people starve.

 

[WhiteEyedSh4rk]

To say they don't gain anything by banning people is an understatement (and a possible fabrication). They gain adrenaline and a feeling of power they don't have in real life. Silly as that sounds, most people will do anything to even have a little of them.

Dictators (hyperbole, I know) also do petty things to support their inferiority/superiority complex like organizing lavish parties and sport events while their people starve.

And why is everything running so well on this forum then? And why are all mods here reasonable, responsible and transparent?

 

[Etrepcar]

And why is everything running so well on this forum then? And why are all mods here reasonable, responsible and transparent?

Because, this is a smaller forum and the moderators possibly more trained here, but to some , this moderation is bad too. I'm remaining neutral, because that barely connects to anything I have said and is not the main subject.

Also, strawman/whataboutism argument, you didn't address the adrenaline nor the superiority/inferiority complex and not even feeling of power part of my argument. You intentionally tried derail the argument with the "what about this and that..." sentence, when I explained the possible motives. You can keep setting up strawman/whataboutism arguments here, but they will rot after a while.

 

[method man]

There is no corruption or anything like that happening, what lets you think it'll be any different in the game?

I have, on multiple occasions, bribed forum admins to be corrupt. It has cost me a lot of money, and I have gained very little from it. However, I have proven that with thousands of dollars I can get someone muted for one hour.

 

[Fietta]

Because, this is a smaller forum and the moderators possibly more trained here, but to some , this moderation is bad too. I'm remaining neutral, because that barely connects to anything I have said and is not the main subject.

Also, strawman/whataboutism argument, you didn't address the adrenaline nor the superiority/inferiority complex and not even feeling of power part of my argument. You intentionally tried derail the argument with the "what about this and that..." sentence, when I explained the possible motives. You can keep setting up strawman/whataboutism arguments here, but they will rot after a while.

I think you're taking it far too philosophical and political, us moderators feel 'great' when someone's banned, that's not because it's a 'great' feeling of power, but because you've made the community better. Having power is great in the sense that you're able to use it to make something better, but you're describing us as some megalomaniacs who's sole purpose and adrenaline comes from the use of the power instead of the result of using the power.

I guess your point may be correct if you assume that all moderators are somewhat corrupt, but most of the time moderators perform tasks without any such 'adrenaline' feeling unless they're extremely passionate about banning people, most moderators have engaged in the community they've been moderating for a long time and would continue to do so without the sense of superiority. It all depends on the person I suppose.

 

[eddiemccandless]

To say they don't gain anything by banning people is an understatement (and a possible fabrication). They gain adrenaline and a feeling of power they don't have in real life. Silly as that sounds, most people will do anything to even have a little of them.

Dictators (hyperbole, I know) also do petty things to support their inferiority/superiority complex like organizing lavish parties and sport events while their people starve.

That is true if you have a bad moderation staff. If that is the case, things are going to be messy no matter if you have a code of conduct or not. People who crave the kind of adrenaline rush that you are talking about simply make for terrible moderators. If you have a good moderation team and a good set of rules things work just fine, and as @WhiteEyedSh4rk said this forum is a good example. I am not sure you realize this, but you are basically advocating for anarchy as the only way to prevent a possible tyranny. @Greedalicious said it best so I am just going to quote him once more.

And you should be allowed to have your thoughts and opinions, even discuss them, if its done in good faith. If your thoughts are all blacks should die, I'm sure there are places you can argue your dumbass ideas, but a video game server isnt that.
If I stood up in church saying You know what, heres what the problem with communism is, and walk up to the altar. I'd be thrown out (or gently escorted out I guess.) Theres a time and place. We're on the server to play and enjoy ourselves, I dont give a **** about your politics
The "where does it all end?!" argument ugh....It ends somewhere. We use a syringe when giving out vaccines, syringes are also used to inject heroin, oh no ban all syringes!
No....It ends where its logical for it to end. Me saying that was a stupid move to my teammate isnt the same as him saying burn the jews, so stop pretending anyone would think so. If someone is banned for calling someone an idiot I'll be the first one to riot about it, but it wont happen.

 

[WhiteEyedSh4rk]

Because, this is a smaller forum and the moderators possibly more trained here, but to some , this moderation is bad too. I'm remaining neutral, because that barely connects to anything I have said and is not the main subject.

Also, strawman/whataboutism argument, you didn't address the adrenaline nor the superiority/inferiority complex and not even feeling of power part of my argument. You intentionally tried derail the argument with the "what about this and that..." sentence, when I explained the possible motives. You can keep setting up strawman/whataboutism arguments here, but they will rot after a while.

Luckely Fietta and eddie gave very good answers and I don't have anything to add to that point.

This was not a strawman argument nor whataboutism at all. There is a very tight correlation between the forum and Bannerlord, so if the moderation works very well here, there is no reason to assume its going to be any different in Bannerlord. Its the same people who would choose moderators to look after Bannerlord as the ones that did that for this forum and its basically even the same community.

 

[King Yngvar]

Sure, that works when there's one troll. Or two. Or five, or maybe even ten. Then over time more of them keep coming, and they stay since they are not getting banned and can do as they please. Meanwhile many of the non toxic players get tired of having to constantly deal with that and move somewhere else. What are you going to do then, mute half the population in a team based game? Does not seem very practical to me as a long term solution. And I don't see how the game benefits from letting the trolls run rampant. Keep in mind that we are not talking about the occasional swear word here, no one cares about that. As @Greedalicious was saying, we are talking about true scum that comes here with the sole purpose of spamming and making everyone's experience worse.

Edit: to clarify, I am not against the mute per se. I just think it won't be enough long term.

If someone teamkills me I feel that a simple "**** you" in chat is appropriate. According to you however, the aggrieved party should be banned due to sensitivity to words while the offender should suffer no consequence.

 

[King Yngvar]

You do realize that a thing such as code of conduct will be a leeway for a censorship? Just look at that certain incident (happened a few months ago), which banned players for allegedly "cheating". You can enforce that code of conduct in your official servers, but leave the private and community servers alone. I'm sure all the authoritarian countries would gladly accept you as a media minister: pretending to care about the well-being of citizens, but trying to censor them (and all organizations that are even slightly critical of them) in reality. Why do you care about people saying what they want on their own private server, that they almost certainly paid for?

Muting people is also an option, instead of forcing them to adhere to guidelines.

TaleWorlds should have never marketed this game towards mainstream audiences: now we will have bunch of moral watchdogs (one watchdog for every player!) , watching over the shoulders of players and reporting them, then being banned, because they don't like what people say. The internet was never a pretty place.

Warband didn't need such a drastic measures, why would Bannerlord need it? Unless the players are specifically directing personal attacks at you (private information and all that), then I don't see the uproar. If they do, then you should report that to the law enforcement, not the comissars moderators.

I know this is a controversial and strong opinion, but I won't change it, unless someone can convince me to do so.

+1000

 

[eddiemccandless]

If someone teamkills me I feel that a simple "**** you" in chat is appropriate. According to you however, the aggrieved party should be banned due to sensitivity to words while the offender should suffer no consequence.

What exactly in my posts made you think that? I and others have said several times that we are not talking about the occasional swear word. And obviously team kills should also be moderated. I would classify that as toxic behavior myself, or potentially cheating if the team killer has an agreement with the opposite team.

There is also one point that seems to have been neglected in this discussion. People have been banned and/or suspended from multiplayer already. Which means that, in fact, there already is some type of code of conduct in place, either a set of rules that we are not being given or, most likely, an implicit set of rules that only exists in the mind of people who do moderation. Wouldn't you rather have something clearly written and out in the open for everyone to read? Because right now we are all basically at the mercy of whatever the people who are moderating MP think best. Which, seems to me, is exactly what the people who speak against a code are trying to prevent. And I can't say that I am a huge fan of that either.

@MArdA TaleWorlds this discussion has been going on for a while with players just talking among themselves, which is probably not that useful to anyone. Any chance we can get TW's perspective on this?

 

[RCC_God]

Taleworlds has gave temporary bans over racism in the past. Most companies now are trying to shift their games away from that so your ideas are going directly against taleworlds vision. Plus I don’t see why everyone loves slurs so much does it really change your game that much not to hear them? I’ve been on many servers and communities, and every one is better with rules about homophobia, racism, xenophobia, etc