The thing about this that is different from having too many archers or too many cav is that those 2 are a matter of circumstance while the 2-hander is a matter of skill. Even the best players can get frustrated from having too many of the formers.
While I believe that weak bows should be adjusted to be much less accurate, playing as an archer does require skills as well. The matter is if new players just find it too hard to face a skillful handler, they will switch into something that is much easier for them, and archery is the only way-out. Me, I am an archer, not novice one, but a simple archer, and from time to time it is still frustrating to enter melee and smashed easily. Eventually, this is a game far from tactics, I am sorry, it is far from being a RPG Medieval Total War. Your men do not fight in formations, thus leaving you vulnerable to archers. Is it our fault just because we wreak havoc?
The same shock goes with knights!
We are skillful, we are very powerful,... then BAM they were massacred by developed infantry and archers, they eventually lost their position, they were done!
You see this complain just too often to be surprised!
In MTW, no, archers cannot be that powerful, the mods turn them into some rubbish things
In Shogun 2, no archers cannot kill that many samurais, we have to limit their power=> Archers become a bunch of craps
It is a pleasure watching knights and Ghulams smashed infantrymen and archers
Then now in Warband, no archers cannot be that powerful, they are not allowed to be-> Pushed them out of the way, reduced them, eliminate them once for all
-> Anti-archers culture!
What is the position of 2-handed weapons like those great swords in the entire human history of warfare? According to my knowledge in China they have an equivalent called Zhanmadao and its purpose is? Chop the horse legs! What do you see here in warband is they chop our head out while we are like a bunch of useless bastarnae with our shield.
The basic form of infantry in history is a man with a shield and a stick with something made of iron attached to its head called a spear, they are the backbone of every single military machine in history, did you see them in warband? Did you see them fight coherently in this game, did you see them have the fearsome reputation that they deserve to have? NO!
You see what? A bunch of 2 handlers wandering seeking their own glory. Miak!
Now this is the most funny part:
The worst part is that the no matter which archer you go after, he'll always run away until you have to turn around, then he reloads and goes on. Anyway I handle myself pretty good at fighting mobs in melee, and i know tons of players out there who do aswell. 4 players could be either no problem, or atleast it'd be possible to take some along to hell before dying.
My gosh, we archers just do what is programmed in our nature! Should we stand there like a bunch of idiots so you can come and kill us all? There is a tactic called hit-and-run, which you simply shoot your enemy, runs, then shoot again, the purpose is probably to kill you or pull you out of your love-melee mass so cavalry can hack you. If you are not an elite archer, where are you going to run with your small athletic skill? I am even hacked to pieces when 4 guys with their one handed axes approached and smashed the hell out of my skull, and that is how it is!
When you aren't as good in melee as other specialists, they call you what in the chat-line: Noob, sucker, all those terms. Now it is our turn to let them taste our arrows instead of us tasting their steel. At least with the bow we can wipe that smirk from their faces!
What is wrong with infantry being the centerpiece of combat? All through history this was true, why cant it be true in warband? Why does warband have to be a first person shooter?
Whats wrong with making the infantry class able to handle everything thrown at it, because that is what it is expected to deal with. Not only is infantry fighting other infantry, they are doing it while being shot at by arrows, and lanced by cav. Its no fun being a punching bag for everyone elses 'fun'.
There is nothing wrong to be an elite infantry, but the age of Roman Legionary has long gone. This is an age of CAVALRY! Any culture besides Western Europe valued archery. The most famous Chinese general Yue Fei was respected for his skillful ability to shoot a heavy with left and right hands and hit a long-ranged target, even mounted! The founder of Jin dynasty Wanyan Aguda was admired by a Liao ambassador for his unsurpassing prowess in archery! Put the bow away from Genghis Khan and see if all the Mongols respect him!
A stupid cavalryman should be killed and hacked down by a group of infantry, but what's wrong if they fight coherently with repeating charge? A stupid archer expose himself to cavalry charge and drain his quiver on an infantryman's shield, he should be knocked down like a piece of rotten meat, but what's wrong if he fight decently with covers and careful movement?
Swear to god I usually find infantry disperse to fight us, or band together to be shot down, and never adapt any tactic at all!
The biggest problem I have with them is that a competant melee-fighter, whom is also a good archer, has the best of both worlds.
See this! Archers suppose to be good in melee? Perhaps elite archers should be! Ｂｕｔ ａ ｐｅａｓａｎｔ ａｒｃｈｅｒ ｓｈｏｕｌｄ ａｌｓｏ ｂｅ ｇｏｏｄ ａｔ ｍｅｌｅｅ． Ｄｏ ｙｏｕ ｇｕｙｓ ｒｅａｄ ａ ｓｉｎｇｌｅ ｂｏｏｋ ｏｎ ｔｈｅ ｍｉｌｉｔａｒｙ ｈｉｓｔｏｒｙ ｏｆ ａｎｙ ｃｉｖｉｌｉｚａｔｉｏｎ？Ｉｔ ｓｅｅｍｓ ｔｈａｔ ｔｈｏｓｅ ｉｎｆａｎｔｒｙｍｅｎ ｃｏｕｌｄ ｐｏｓｅ ｔｏ ｂｅ ｅｌｉｔｅ ａｒｃｈｅｒｓ ａｆｔｅｒ ａｌｌ ｓｉｎｃｅ ａｒｃｈｅｒｙ ｉｓ ｅａｓｉｅｓｔ ｐａｒｔ ｔｏ ｐｉｃｋ ｕｐ， ｐｌｕｓ ｔｈｅｉｒ ｎｏｖｉｃｅ ｓｋｉｌｌ ｉｎ ｍｅｌｅｅ ｗｉｌｌ ｅｎｓｕｒｅ ｔｈｅｉｒ ｆｉｅｒｃｅｎｅｓｓ ｏｎ ｂａｔｔｌｅｆｉｅｌｄ！
Ｆｉｎａｌｌｙ！
Ｙｏｕ ｓｅｅ ｔｈｉｓ ａｔｔｉｔｕｄｅ ｂｅｉｎｇ ｓｈｉｆｔｅｄ ｉｎ ａｎ ｓｕｒｐｒｉｓｉｎｇ ｗａｙ！
［ｑｕｏｔｅ］I know I'm **** now. I complain about a lot of things, but this isn't
a rage induced post. Even though I am angry about it. I suck in duel servers too, so I can't blame archers for sucking.［／ｑｕｏｔｅ］
［ｑｕｏｔｅ］Anyways, what the **** happened, I made this as a sort of
rage post and it turns into a 50 page debate
If anyone else is like me, and just hates the fact that you get killed by archers every single time you play Native, just play Vikingr with me ［／ｑｕｏｔｅ］
Ｈｅ ｃｏｎｃｅｄｅｓ ｔｈａｔ ｉｔ ｉｓ ａ ｒａｇｅ ｐｏｓｔ ａｆｔｅｒ ａｌｌ！ Ｆａｃｅ ｉｔ！ Ｎｏ ｏｎｅ ｌｉｋｅ ｔｏ ｂｅ ｋｉｌｌｅｄ ｉｎ ａｎｙ ｓｉｔｕａｔｉｏｎ， ｉｎ ａｎｙ ｇａｍｅ， ｎｏｔ ｍｅｎｔｉｏｎｉｎｇ ｉｎ ｒｅａｌ ｌｉｆｅ！ Ｉｔ ｉｓ ｃａｌｌｅｄ ｓｅｌｆ－ｐｒｅｓｅｒｖａｔｉｏｎ．
