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if you have an athlon x2, you might want to check the dual core optimizer from amds homepage.

It's a driver that solves problems with dual cores in xp.

which graphics card do you have?

Try switching back to DX7 in the games starting screen

so then, some things to rule out.

9800 GX2 uses sli, however. It has a sli bridge on the card. There is no other way of inter core communication for nvidia cards at the moment (ATI's x2 cards use crossfire as well). So it might well be worth checking that.

Although I don't even know if Mount&Blade is sensitive towards sli, however if an error occurs sli is one of the most prominent causes of failure for any 3D engine.

I'm not sure how to reliably check if sli is activated on a Vista system, however. Usually one would use gpuz, but it is unreliable in vista.

[EDIT]

I searched the forums a little and it seems you aren't the first one to experience these problems after all.

Similarities between all problems:

-Nvidia 9 series cards running in sli
-Steam version of Mount&Blade

the solutions would be:
-Make sure that sli is disabled

-Uninstall Mount&Blade via Steam and download the version from
      http://www.taleworlds.com/mb_download.html
enter your serial (should be delivered when you bought the game on steam as far as I know) and try that version. Probably steam has patched the game in a wrong way.

Hope this helps.

updated my last post..

hmmm, the RGL error surprises me on an nvidia card. In DX7 it shouldn't occur at all 

many strange things happen these days 

Anyone think it could be a memory error with XP not recognizing all the video memory?

[EDIT]

just took a look through the forums and this problem seems to be adding up on nvidia cards in the past few days.

My suspicion is a change in the latest nvidia drivers. Try to revert to some 2-3 months old driver and report if the problem persists

questions/hints you left unanswered from the beginning of the thread:

-Do you have the newest motherboard driver?

-Did you use driver sweeper (newest version) in vistas safe mode after uninstalling the old drivers?

-Did you overclock the GPU's? What are the GPU's temperature sensors reading?

-How old is your windows installation and what did you do with it?


Programmer error is very unprobable, because you are the first one to report this problem. Also the error message states it's the nvidia driver.
Ok, it might be programmer error... in the nvidia drivers or elsewhere.

There is also a chance your computer components don't work well together and Mount&Blades code uncovers a weak spot. Mount&Blades error? I think not. You can't fix every problem of inter component communication in the software itself.

Mount&Blade surely is not the only game not working, it is the only game not working you have installed right now. Besides 8 working games out of how many thousands?

Mount&Blade likes 64bit environments very much. It adores them.

Answer the questions you've been asked before criticizing that people don't help. We are trying to find a problem of several programmes working together, each consisting of thousands to millions lines of code. If people ask for information, be it so small and seemingly insignificant (like using driver sweeper), you might want to supply an answer if you want answers yourself.


Here are some more ideas:

-Do you have sli, or any sli profile activated while running Mount&Blade?

-do you have a sound card installed? Vista is known to crash in some situations if a sound card is installed (it just needs to be physically installed, no need for drivers.) If so, try taking it out.

-did you ever try to revert to an older nvidia driver? It's probably a change in the newest drivers that caused a problem. It happened before on ATI's side. They needed a few months to fix that problem. Maybe revert to a 2-3 months older, stable release to make sure.

I do still think the problems lies within the nvidia drivers.

The file dump of the bsods would be very interesting.

does "better" mean good, or just slightly better?

They might have changed something in the newest driver release (most likely graphics). It happened to ATI's drivers before which caused problems with DX9.

If it runs well with DX9, stick to it. Otherwise you might want to switch to older drivers, or maybe you changed something else in your setup?

Agreed on the 3GB Ram.

More than two sticks of ram might also cause problems in some occasions.

They can also reduce performance (however not by much, especially not in real world applications) because they won't run in dual channel anymore.

Which mainboard do you use? I remember older chipsets having problems with 3 sticks of ram.

If the problem is solved for you, ignore aforementioned

hmmmm...

did it run well before? Or has it always been that way?

Are all drivers correctly installed (including sound an mainboard drivers)?

so then, did you properly uninstall the old driver using driver sweeper?

Do you have DX9 installed (you need a seperate DX9 install for Vista)

There's still lots of questions you left unanswered.

Did you uninstall the old nvidia drivers properly in vistas safe mode with driver sweeper before upgrading?

It can very well be an error in the drivers that doesn't happen in other games because Mount&Blade might make some calls the other games don't or other conflicts appear.

When you say it goes straight to the Blue screen (BSOD) do you just get a plain single colored blue screen or is there something written?

Just in case you misinterpreted Archonsods question.

Also do you use any mods?

How "old" is your Windows setup? And what did you do with it before? Probably soemthing is screwed up there?
Also did you just "reinstall" the game or did you uninstall it before and made sure nothing was left?

Is the Graphics card overclocked?
If yes, voltages, clocks and temperature might help.

Same counts for the CPU.

Remember that different games react different to system stability.
While some might run stable for hours or never crash at all, others don't even start.

Mount&Blade reacts quite sensible towards Graphics card overclocking, although it would usually crash after some in game time, not at the character creation screen.


The reason why no one responds here is because this is a very new problem and you give us very few information to work with. Not that I'm saying you aren't telling us all you can.
Just maybe that we are nearly as clueless as you are ^^

However I too would think the problem lies within the deeper system (Driver, OS, Ram compatibility). Also because the whole computer can crash, the game clearly isn't capable of crashing a whole Vista system. As far as I know no non-system task is.
And system tasks are the OS itself and drivers.

your best bet is to do a complete reinstall of the game.

serial can be used 2x every 60 days as far as I know.

with 40 you might still run into crashes in several occasions..

Do you have the GE 2.5 installed?

A way to play with almost unlimited number of corpses and high battlesize would be to turn to DX7. It should also help your framerate, but you do of course sacrifice a lot of looks

how much memory do your 9600GT's have?

If it's 512MB you will likely experience crashing even with 20 corpses in some cases

For 1GB (per card) you should be able to up the battlesize to around 300 + 40 corpses and still be safe (stability wise not performance).
I don't know if M&B supports sli, but your cards could be a little weak for such big battles.

I don't know of any way to increase corpse number, but I never researched as I have RGL problems with 200 Battlesize + 20 corpses as well (With Graphical Enhancement 2.5). So I use 10 corpses and I don't even notice it.

did you properly uninstall the old drivers before upgrading?

that is
uninstall drivers
reboot to safe mode
clean drivers with driver sweeper
reboot
install new drivers

Also what is your dead body count?

You should be able to go as high as 350-400 battlesize at max detail with the graphical enhancement pack if dead bodies is not set to unlimited.

I'd suggest CPU Power as well, though I think it's not that resource hungry.

What you should take a look at with high battle sizes is Graphics memory.

At DX9 with Graphical Enhancement and 220 Battlesize you'll probably get crashes. aim for 1GB VRam at least.

For me:

CPU: E8200 @ 3.6GHZ
Ram: 4GB @ 1080
GPU: HD 4850/512MB @ 700/1050

Battlesize 200, 1680x1050 no AA and only 10 or so Corpses to avoid VRam overload&crash

Yep, processor is good enough. The Graphics card is your bottleneck. HD4870 would be a good choice (ATI is unproblematic for M&B since the latest driver releases).

An i7 would be overkill, also you'd have to buy DDR3 (expensive) and an i7 compatible mainboard (expensive).

As you have an AM2+ board (I suppose) if you want to upgrade the processor aim for a Phenom II series. They are not as good as i7 but are much better than the first generation Phenoms.

For anything game wise however, your current processor is fine.