There is no significant difference between 'pain' as perceived by animals, plants, humans or malware.
Maybe not. If things like cows, chickens, and pigs can suffer anywhere near as much as humans can, then animal farming is probably where humans are causing the most suffering, simply because there are many billions of animals involved.N0body said:Really, we should solve the issues within our own societies and cultures (yeah, I know, also not likely to happen in any of our lifetimes unless something miraculous happens) before we start trying to hammer away at the rights of other lifeforms (possibly including AI, when it eventually meets enough criteria to be 'intelligent').
But women aren't behind in legal rights in most western countries, are they? Most imbalances favouring men come from social norms or biology, not laws.pentagathus said:...morons like you who like to pretend women have greater rights than men, or equal at least. ...
No, I'm just sick of the constant abuse in your posts. What purpose does it serve?Jhessail said:Says the guy who literally contributes nothing but drive-by sniping from the bushes. I must have really hurt your precious feelings at some point, and I can't even remember it. Ego, such a fragile thing.Papa Lazarou said:He's obviously not a troll. You're the one posting inflammatory bull****.
He's obviously not a troll. You're the one posting inflammatory bull****.Jhessail said:You made four posts that were nothing but inflammatory bull**** - ie, trolling - before you finalle came around and made a proper post.
Please be civil.Jhessail said:You're again being willfully obtuse.
I don't understand how that follows. Are you suggesting that the best way to solve mens issues is to talk about them in terms of sexism against women even though men are suffering and there is a sexual stereotype about men involved?Because the problem would not even exist if women had not been seen as the inferior, weaker, dumber, useless-aside-from-reproduction(and working low paid menial jobs of course)-gender for a long, long time.I think it's a shame that men's issues tend to be framed in terms of sexism against women, even when men are clearly the ones suffering from the sexism. I don't think sex roles are universally advantageous to men and so I don't see why every issue needs to be framed as if they are.
I don't know what others have said but I'm not suggesting it's the fault of feminism. I just don't think framing the issue in terms of sexism against women is necessarily the best approach.Mrs D isn't downplaying the seriousness of the topic of the video, or the subject in general - she's pointing out, rightfully, that it's not the fault of feminism that a man being beaten by a woman is seen as a joke, but of the very sexism that feminism combats.
I'd prefer to deal with that when it occurs than pre-empt it, but fair enough. As I said before, I'm not convinced it's relevant which group is more downtrodden overall. Assessing the net position of the two groups overall would be extremely difficult and not all that helpful as far as I can imagine.Mrs. Dryvus said:This issue, however, is often wrongly co-opted by opportunistic MRAs for their package message that holds that there is a shift in power from men to women in the form of educational discrimination, economic discrimination, and now domestic violence. The package message is a load of unsubstantiated horse****.
I think it's a shame that men's issues tend to be framed in terms of sexism against women, even when men are clearly the ones suffering from the sexism. I don't think sex roles are universally advantageous to men and so I don't see why every issue needs to be framed as if they are.It's not at all unfair. I'm not de-legitimizing a problem faced by men or saying that the effect is not harmful to men. I'm saying that the ridicule that a man faces in being beaten down by a woman is a product of gender stereotypes regarding which of the two is the stronger and more dominant.
Who has done that? The video isn't making any claim about the relative amounts of victimisation. I don't really think that's even relevant.Mrs. Dryvus said:This attempt by MRAs to not only make equivalent but to cherry pick and amplify male victimization as if the power pendulum has swung the other way and males are now the downtrodden is tiresome.
I think this is pretty unfair. You're taking a legitimate problem faced by men and saying that it is just another example of negative stereotypes about women. Obviously there is a complementary stereotype about men and in this case the effect is harmful to men.The reason that those idiots would laugh at a man being hit by "his woman" is exactly because of gender stereotypes that make a victimized, submissive male ridiculous in society's eyes. It seems ridiculous that a man should be a victim of a weak woman.
Yeah and the approach is fair enough. His conclusions are just a bit strong for me. It's like someone trying to teach themselves to play the piano, having no musical training and having never even seen someone play. Such a person would certainly make progress and learn things, but they'd probably think that many of the things a professional can do are impossible.Ililsa said:Well as far as western martial arts goes, all we have before about 1300 is pictures drawn by monks or other artists. It isn't until the renaissance that we actually get combat treatises, which is what HEMA practitioners go off.
Before then all we can really do is go off a few pictures and theory-craft by actually using the weapons and guessing, hence Lloyd's approach.