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mexxico'nun yazdıklarını üzülerek okudum. Gerçi şaşırılacak bir şey de yok bana kalırsa, biraz malumun ilanı olmuş. Bu oyuna dair en üzücü şey ise yaklaşık 10 yıl önce çıkan ve Warband'e çıkan bütün büyük modların içine entegre edilen Diplomacy modunun getirdiklerini bile getiremiyor ve anladığım kadarıyla da gelecekte de getirmeyecek oluşu. Bu sadece üzücü değil, açıkçası biraz da komik. Distopya gibi ama 15 yıl sonra Bannerlord'a yeniden Diplomacy modu yapılacak sanırım.

Recaizade Mahmut Ekrem 说:

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Kur'an veya başka bir kitapta toplumsal bir sözleşme değil midir? Sadece tehdit olarak bilinmeyen bir varlık ve ölüm sonrası korku vardır.

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Genel konudan biraz bağımsız olsa da, şu noktaya dair bir düzeltme yapmak istiyorum.

Kur'an veya başka bir kitap nitelik itibariyle bir toplumsal sözleşme değildir. Toplumsal sözleşme kuramı, devlet ve birey arasındaki yetki aktarımı ve devletin meşruluğunu farazi bir toplumsal sözleşmeyle açıklamayı hedefler. Toplumsal sözleşmelerde, halk, o ya da şu nedenle, tabiat halindeki özgürlüklerinden vazgeçer ve toplumsal hayatın düzenlenmesi için farazi bir yapı olan devlete yetki verir. Dolayısıyla, toplumsal sözleşmeler kendisini meydana getiren halkın açık veya zımni rızası ile meydana gelirler.

Kur'an veya diğer dini kitaplar ise bu mahiyette değillerdir. Her şeyden önce, bu tür kaynaklar bir uzlaşmanın sonucu ortaya çıkmazlar; ilahi ve asla hata yapmayan bir güç tarafından ortaya kondukları kabul edilir. Toplumsal sözleşmeyi meydana getiren en önemli özelliği olan uzlaşmanın eksikliğinin dışında, Kur'an'ın kapsamı da toplumsal sözleşmenin kapsamına dahil değildir. Yani, Kur'an bir yetki aktarımını içermez. Kur'an'ın mahiyeti olsa olsa kapsayıcı bir doktrindir. Başka bir deyişle, Kur'an, insana neyin iyi neyin kötü olduğunu, neyin doğru neyin yanlış olduğunu, hangi değerlerin benimsenmesi gerektiğini gösteren, insanın hayatına yön veren bir rehber niteliğindedir. Bu nedenle Kur'an, Immanuel Kant'ın Ahlak Metafiziğinin Temellendirmesi (The Groundwork of The Metaphysics of Morals) ya da John Stuart Mill'in Faydacılık (Utilitarianism) kitabından pek farklı değildir. Zira, bu iki kaynak da Kur'an gibi insan hayatına rehberlik etmesi, yani onu kapsamlı şekilde düzenlemesi için yazılmıştır.

markp27 说:

This thread has proved that. We have Callum the voice of TW saying one thing, and Mexxico a developer saying something else.

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I do not think that what Callum and mexxico say are in contradiction with each other. Callum basically says that Taleworlds is going to keep its promise to implement the features they advertised. On the other side, Mexxico says that they are %90 done and they will do balancing and adding a few more contents (which I believe refer to the features that are advertised yet missing at the moment). As @Telyon presented above, the road-map of Taleworlds fully confirms the both sides. Road-map suggests that Taleworlds is planning to polish the game and nothing else. Neither mexxico nor Callum talks about the novelties people are burning to see. All of them refer to more or less the same thing, the only difference being that Callum does it tacitly.

Talbrys 说:

A single developer feeling the game is 90% complete does not mean it is factually 90% complete. If the one who was in charge of overseeing and directing the entire project felt the game was 90% complete then I would be more likely to agree with you. I am also part of a team at my job, and I have some opinions of how our projects will end up, however I've been wrong due to only being part of the project and not able to see the entire picture. You are taking one employees word as gospel while discarding all the others. Speaking of denial...

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You are right with your first argument. If mexxico estimates that it is %90 complete, it does not necessarily mean that is factually %90 complete. It all comes down to how accurately mexxico can estimate things. The rough estimation of mexxico, however, does not change the fact. Consider the following analogy: I am 200cm tall and you look at me and say I am like maybe 195cm. You make an estimation with a margin of error. It does not change the fact that I am 200cm and a tall person, and your estimation comes somehow really close the fact. This is the situation with mexxico's %90 estimation. Whatever the percentage might be, there is one certainty beyond question is that the game is mostly complete based on the evidences provided above. I also find it funny to think that he is a part of the development team and not aware of the overall progress.

Talbrys 说:

No offense to mexxico but he's just a dev. If it was armagan I might agree with you that it was closer to fact.

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You are entitled to have wrong opinions. I already explained what a fact means, and I no longer have an incentive to elaborate further on what is a fact and what is not, given that there is nothing harder than to convince someone who refuses to be convinced. Please do not get me wrong, I mean no offense to you or any other user here, I just personally cannot understand the denial.

Edit: I also thank @Telyon for his contribution to the discussion with his analysis of the road-map. It was a point that I missed out. Maybe it would be helpful for others to understand how the statements of developers and the road-map on the table fully coincide.

Lord of Banners 说:

How can that be unlikely to be personal opinion... they’re both his opinion just like all this is your opinion outside of the facts that mexxico has those opinions

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When a glass is half-full, it is half-full regardless of your opinion. So is the progress of the game. When you say that %90 of the game is complete, you do not express a personal opinion, you refer to a fact. His opposition to refactoring decision and his priorities for the game, on the other hand, are subjective matters; therefore, they constitute a "personal opinion".

Talbrys 说:

Interesting I hadn't seen that he had voted in that poll

Regarding the quote you used, isn't that the one he said was his personal opinion and was not TW actual position?

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Yes, that is the one. The personal opinion refers to his opposition to refactoring thing, I reckon. %90 thing is unlikely to be personal opinion, it is a fact and thus descriptive.

Talbrys 说:

When you make an accusation the burden of proof is on you. That being said, we have an "official" statement that they do plan on adding the missing features. So either you're saying that official responses don't count, which undoes this argument, or they do in which case Callum just straight up refuted your claim.

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Highest of all Landers 说:

Well, if you could, I would very much like to see this post as it seems like a direct contradiction to everything I've seen in this section of the forum. Any information you have will be of great help, like who posted it.

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Given that there are hundreds of posts going on everyday, it took a while for me to track the origin of my claim. My argument above is based on the mexxico's indirect statements.

First of all, in his profile on 14 July, mexxico stated that:

I am totally aganist refactoring at this step, we already wrote 90% of code already after now we need to add content new quests or balance things like weak kingdoms should try to make peace with strongest enemy more. We are doing refactor to write remaining 10% easier. We could add lots to game instead of this refactor. Anyway what done is done and we spend 6 weeks on bugs of refactor caused. Now its time to move on.

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What can we deduce from his message? I, at least, deduce that the development is complete by %90 and the remaining %10 is more about balancing and new 'contents'. I am not a developer or a competent person to evaluate what the remaining %10 account for. Maybe writing %90 of the code does not necessarily mean that the development is %90 completed. Maybe %10 is all they need to enrich the game, provide all the new mechanics, content or whatever our hearts desires for this game. I, however, fear that it is not exactly like this. My concern in this regard is reinforced by another indirect "official" statement. In a poll in which people are asked how complete do they think Bannerlord complete is, mexxico responded "Mostly complete in terms of features and mechanics, maybe a little bit more before release". (See the image).

Combining these two remnants of the information provided above, I can conclude that Taleworlds stands nowhere near what we expect them to be. From an employee's perspective, the game is almost done (%90) and requires a few additions before its release. This, of course, does not suggest that Taleworlds will fail to fulfill its promises for its full version. I think, they will implement the features they advertised soon or later, even if not in the next or two years or not in the form we hope them to be. This is also what callum keeps saying here and there. What is worrisome for me (perhaps for others too), however, is that the game will never be fulfilling in terms of gameplay mechanics and content. Maybe I should elaborate more on what I understand from content but it would beg for another post probably. However, in a few words, I can conclude that Bannerlord is incomplete, content-poor and not immersive as it stands today. In the full-version, probably Bannerlord will be complete, yet still content-poor and not immersive game. The lack of immersion and content, I fear, is not limited to the early access, and considering where Taleworlds stands, I fear that I am right.

Highest of all Landers 说:

Well, for starters, you got people here saying that the game is feature complete and the only thing that will be delivered is bugfixes, which is an outright lie since no official information states that. What do you expect to get out of twisting and spreading misinformation?

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Thank you for your interesting input but this assumption is not totally misconceived, it is based on the previous statements and implications of the developers and community managers. Unfortunately, at the moment I have no incentive to go through the entire Turkish forum to find where it was stated but it was "officially" stated that the game is close to the final shape and it will be more or less what it is at the moment. If the game is conceived close to ready from the perspective of the company, then it is natural for players to worry for the future of the game.

stevehoos 说:

I just played some Bannerpage 2.0 mod, Bannerlord has better graphics than this mod does, but Bannerpage is way better. Bannerpage crushes this game in terms of ideas, immersion, and options. Remember, this mod is primary made by one guy, not a 80 man team. Bannerlord is just not the game I thought it would be, I just have to admit it at this point. Unless there's some great immersion fix and some knockout feature like custom troops I won't be playing this much in the future. Even just a feast at this point where you can interact with other lords would suffice. This game is barren, it's not a matter of it being in EA either in my opinion. I have 0 immersion in the history of Calradia or any lore in this game, the same brother and family each play through (linear RPG not sandbox), atrocious random % marriage which has nothing to do with your characters standing, grinding random smith parts, fighting looters/bandit parties selling the exact same things, and the generic companions and back stories. I just can't play it anymore.

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I completely agree with you. Many Warband mods, including Prophesy of Pendor, Perisno, Bannerpage and Nova Aetas, offer much more engaging and interesting gameplay than Bannerlord. Even though Bannerlord has better graphics (with horrible optimization though), it presents very inadequate immersion in almost every aspect. Of course advocates of Taleworlds will deny this; they will play the "Early Access" card and yada yada yada. I guess they fail to see that the problem is beyond the issues associated with Early Access.

Noschkov 说:

Funny again and again that people think their opinion is the one of "the community". Do you have any proof besides of perhaps some people in this forum that backs your argumet? Because if you look at steam the ratings are still pretty positive so i would think that most people are fine with the game and how it is handled.

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I am not in a position to conduct a mass survey. I, therefore, cannot prove you the satisfaction / expectations in numbers. What I can show you, however, is the reflection of "community" in this forum. The community consists of individuals but individuals are not the community itself. If I make a statement like I did above, I do not regard myself as the community; rather I narrate what is going on this forum, which consists of hundreds of individuals and constitute the community as I understand. I surf on this forum more or less on a daily basis; I would say, therefore, that I am kind of aware the general atmosphere here. I see dozens of complaints from people and particularly from veterans. I, of course, cannot assess quantitatively the ratio of pleased/displeased posts in this forum; however, very broadly speaking I would say that I see dozens of complaints and a few appreciation posts every day. My observation is that most of the people, even if not the all, in this forum wants to see developments in the game content-wise. Maybe a few are satisfied with what they have, which I respect, what I observe in this forum, however, is different.

If you think that what I put here is exaggerated, I suggest you to check the forums and see it yourself. If you think that I am delusional about the expectations of the community (present in this forum), I cordially invite you to prove me wrong. Well, you can argue that community in this forum account to very small portion of the Bannerlord community, whatever it might mean. That is something I cannot argue against. I, however, can argue that "the community" in this forum is the only vocal group, who on regular basis gives feedback, follows the game and interacts with others. This forum is therefore different from Steam store page.

Talbrys 说:

Please tell me more about my experiences and expectations of the game.

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No, please you tell me more about your experiences and expectations about the game. I am burning out to listen to how satisfied you are.

Callum 说:

"While we do not have a set date for a full release at this moment in time, we expect that the game will be in early access for around a year. Our focus is on ensuring that the game is fun and enjoyable rather than imposing a deadline that might have a negative impact on the final product."

Take from that what you will, but I think we are still on track and can stand by this statement. If it takes longer than a year, it takes longer, and ultimately, the game will be ready when it is ready.

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I personally did not refer to any deadline. Neither I had an intention to imply that you are slow or whatever. My statement is all about the development of the game content-wise. A brief clarification:

It has been 4 months since the EA started, which account for 1/3 of the estimated early access progress. So far, the game is neither fun nor enjoyable; it lacks even the fundamentals. Development-wise, the last 4 months (1/3 of the estimated progress) have been just about dealing with the fundamentals (that people can finally run their games and so on, yes it sounds funny). Wait, it hasn't touched to the bottom; to make it worse, in the last 4 months, the fundamentals have not been solved yet. That is to say, there is a profound reason to believe that upcoming months will be about fundamentals too. So, what to conclude from this fact? Here is the conclusion: Does the community have expectations for new content? Hell yes. Does the community have any hopes for new content anymore? Hell no. It is something for you to think about maybe.

I hope the game takes longer than a year in EA. To think that it will be released in the appx. next 8 months is just worrisome.

Callum 说:

I'm really not sure how you jumped to this conclusion from the comment I made about us expecting to be in EA for around a year...

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Let me help you to understand: Roughly 1/3 of Early Access is complete and the progression of the game is close to zero content-wise. No reason to believe that the rest 2/3 will be different especially considering that "you are on the track".

Lamkrin 说:

Gelde şu fedakarlığı ingiliz de, alaman da gör görebiliyorsan...

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Finansal sorumluk ve farkındalık sahibi olduğu için oyunu almayan Almanlar ve İngilizler bizi kıskanıyor muhtemelen.