Dangerdude, I see you have returned with a new avatar which surpasses your former one in every conceivable way. If you manage to adjust the quality of your future posts to the quality of this marvellous new avatar of yours, your future here will be bright. If not, you will fail us all.Dangerdude said:Hello. TW forum was not working for me
I believe I know someone who would beg to differ.Varrak said:Turks wanted to change the system into equality, but you cannot win against Empire if you are just regular citizen.
carrier said:If you say they couldnt, you just dont know the power of an uprising.
You make all this sound like Turks willingly accepted being an oppressed majority in the Ottoman Empire.Varrak said:I am not sure if you have any historical information about Ottoman history. Ottomans put non-Turkic ottoman citizens as a "first class citizens" in Ottomans, Ministers and Pashas were mostly Non-Turkic Ottomans. Also governorship were belongs to Vassals and half-Vassals, Ottomans get only tax. And those taxes were funding Yeni Ceri Army, which was non-Turkic militia force.
After the revolution, Ottomans gave some new rights to Non-Turkic people, such as
"You dont need to give equal taxes as Turks, pay less taxes"
"You can have more MP in assembly than you can ever get with your population"
"You are non muslim ? Okay, you dont need to join army, we will find Turks for this job"
"If you are not muslim but christian, Pope institution can effect your religious life directly even without my interference"
And Turks were the second-class citizens that have to stay in army more than ever, should have pay more taxes more than ever, and could get less representative in assembly
Well, I believe at least some reasonable points have been raised. The fact that they have remained largely ignored is a different matter.mcwiggum said:It bascially is just a thread used to put each other down at this point.
I have judged your historical knowledge on the basis of the opinions you have expressed on the supposition that you were being serious.carrier said:I judged you after you judged a man WHO you dont even know a f*cking thing.
Actually I was expecting you to refute my impression. Consider me surprised to see you confirm it.carrier said:So im not slow at all.
That is really not what I said.carrier said:Yea all Turks are "phobic". How clever of you.
You are not slow to judge people, are you?carrier said:You better dont understand. For your ego has pass on your thoughts, you simply cant think.
How very inconsiderate of you. You could have at least wished me enlightenment or the like in the future.carrier said:Stay that way.