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  1. Beta Patch 1.157 - Patch pre-release! Steam release on Wednesday.

    Is there a module system for 1.155 or is 1.153 module system fully compatible with 1.155?
  2. Thorgrim's Map Editor v0.9.0 (Updated 20/06/2008)

    I've used the Ctrl+S button and it only results one of two ways:

    1) The editor slows down, and there's a crash to desktop

    2) The map is changed in such a way that there's a bunch of large, long wide vertices all over the map.
  3. Thorgrim's Map Editor v0.9.0 (Updated 20/06/2008)

    Thank you! On another note, is there a way to smooth out the vertices? Especially when modding the coastlines of the Native Warband map, the oceans' vertices all had different shapes and all that and I'd like to optimize many of them to a certain size/shape. I've tried using the function that shrinks the size of the vertex, but the shape of it still remains the same.
  4. Modding Q&A [For Quick Questions and Answers]

    1) How do you mod in religion?

    2) How do you combine two different maps?

    3) How do you mod in naval combat and coastal cities, as well as sea-bound trade routes for mods?
  5. Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord Old Discussion Thread

    I'd like to see a more modder-friendly modding experience especially when it comes to map modding.
  6. Thorgrim's Map Editor v0.9.0 (Updated 20/06/2008)

    It seems that I can't select any Sarranid villages and cities, just castles.
  7. SP Native Native Mod Compilation - NMC 1.153 beta2 released

    It seems that I'm stuck whenever I enable the cheat menu and look at the notes, it seems that the button for returning back to the map is missing.
  8. Game keeps minimizing to desktop

    Hmmm, I don't recall that I pressed any of these keys. All I did was use a normal USB mouse and a laptop keyboard. But normally, it doesn't even act this way in single player.
  9. Game keeps minimizing to desktop

    Whenever I play in multiplayer, the game keeps minimizing to desktop every now and then. Were there any hotkeys I pressed that caused it to act this way?
  10. SP Native Native Mod Compilation - NMC 1.153 beta2 released

    _Ulf_ said:
    For my taste manekemaan's troop tree ist too overloaded. Three customizable branches are enough in my opinion. If you give every soldier from a wide range equipable items fitting to the troop tier , every player can decide which type of units he wants to field.

    I'd agree. I was fine with the basic troop tree, but I didn't like the fact that there was so little to choose from.
  11. SP Other THREE KINGDOMS!

    My ****ing god....

    This is a troll. This has got to be a troll.
  12. SP Native Native Mod Compilation - NMC 1.153 beta2 released

    I'd also like more diverse armor and weapons if there is only a generic player tree in the long run.
  13. New Factions?

    When I meant 'Briton', I did mean something along the lines of the medieval Welsh, as some still referred to themselves as 'Brythoniaid', or 'Briton'.

    The best sources I could get are these:

    http://www.oocities.org/welshforge/welshwar.htm

    Warfare in Wales Articles

    John Nash

    The nature of war within a country is Warfare in Wales
    often determined by the country itself.
    Wales was, as we have seen, a rural by Madoc
    culture with a relatively small
    population spread in family groups. Page 1
    Most of the country was forested and
    had few roads, making fast internal
    communication difficult.
    Page 2
    This, as you would expect, made
    Guerrilla warfare, the ambush and raid, Conclusions
    the usual form of war. The Anglo-Saxon
    Chronicle mentions attacks by the Welsh Bibliography
    on border villages ( Portskewett in
    1065 and Westbury in 1053) in a manner
    that would indicate raids.

    Amongst themselves, the fosterage and
    inheritance customs positively
    encouraged violence and it was these
    problems that consistently hindered
    them from uniting together to face
    common enemies. Gruffydd who managed to
    unite country by force was killed,
    allegedly, by his own men. Or, more
    likely, by Cynan ap Iago, who according
    to the Ulster Chronicle , was simply
    taking revenge for his father who
    Gruffydd had killed in 1039. Most of
    Gruffydd's internal victories were won
    by subterfuge and by a readiness to
    kill his opponents before they became a
    threat (Walter Map of Hereford reports
    that Gruffydd had commented ' Talk not
    of killing, I only blunt the horns of
    the progeny of Wales lest they should
    wound their dam'), for instance
    Gruffydd ap Rhydderch of Deheubarth was
    slain at a parley in 1055. The English
    campaigns against Gruffydd were
    painfully unsuccessful as the Welsh
    refused to be drawn into open battle
    and simply ambushed their slow-moving
    enemy and melted back into the forests.
    Harold even ordered his men to remove
    their mail in a vain effort to catch
    their elusive foe.

    This method of warfare was to serve the
    Welsh well until they were finally
    subdued by the English some 300 years
    later. Gerald of Wales, in his
    Description of Wales, goes into some
    detail about the Welsh style of warfare
    in his lifetime (1145-1223). In
    particular, he goes to some length as
    to how the English (Anglo-Normans ??)
    should give up their heavy armour and
    pretty formations in order to bring the
    Welsh to battle.

    Each Brenin would have his own warband,
    maintained and led by his Penteulu. The
    exact size of this force is open to
    debate but would probably not exceed 50
    men. In addition, the Brenin would have
    access to his own extended family and
    other Bonheddwr (free nobles) in his
    Cantrefs. Gerald of Wales notes that
    the whole of the Welsh nation, from
    King to peasant, is madly fond of war
    and spends their free time practising
    and preparing for battle.

    Both the King and his warband would be
    mounted, but appear to have dismounted
    to fight.

    Military equipment was pretty
    standardised across northern Europe at
    this time; spear, shield, sword and
    axe. The Welsh seem to have a fondness
    for the long-spear and bow. The
    Gododdin mentions spears when
    describing battle ('battle of spears',
    'forest of spears', 'reaping of spears'
    etc) far more than swords. Gerald is
    impressed by the spear-men of North
    Wales and the ability of Welsh archers
    to fire over their shoulders when in
    retreat. The bow, at this time, appears
    to be a powerful short bow suitable for
    close range work (we all know of the
    stories of Welsh arrows pinning Norman
    cavalry to their horses, i.e. through
    two layers of armour, the leg and into
    the horse !!!). Along with the bow went
    the javelin, mentioned in many stories
    and by Gerald, two earlier examples
    have been recovered from Landysilo
    which have a similarity to the Roman
    pilum.

    Swords appear to have been highly
    prized items, examples being exchanged
    for 25 head of cattle and one swapped
    for the whole of Roath !!!! (although
    how valuable Roath was is open to
    question). The Saxon sword thought to
    have been found at Builth Wells is of
    the Saxon Trewhiddle style, the other
    Viking sword, found off the
    Pembrokeshire coast, has the typical
    trilobe pommel. It would be unlikely
    that the Welsh did not forge and fit
    their own swords, and whether there
    were differences is unknown. Culhwch
    and Olwen (considered to be the
    earliest, c mid 11th century, of the
    Mabinogi) describes gold-hilted swords
    and the Gododdin uses the term
    'blue-bladed'. The stone at Eglwysilan
    has a simple carving of a warrior with
    a small shield and a straight sword
    with a round pommel and straight
    crossguard (8-10th Century), whereas
    the stone at Llandyfaelog shows a
    bearded man with a club/mace and a
    pommeled short sword (10thc.).

    There are no finds of earlier swords in Warfare in Wales
    Wales, but it would be likely that they
    would have retained the late-Roman by Madoc
    Spatha's and semi-Spatha's (which are
    similar to Irish examples) given that Page 2
    they considered themselves to be the
    natural inheritors of Roman Britain
    (see Armes Prydain). With the advent of
    the heavier, better made,
    continental-style swords the Welsh
    would probably have adopted them as Conclusions
    quickly as the Irish did.
    Bibliography
    The Welsh seemed to have stayed with
    the round shield, even after the advent
    of the kite, and Gerald says that they
    still preferred Target shields (meaning
    a round shield) in his period. The
    warriors of the Gododdin all have round
    shields but their size is not
    indicated. The Mabinogi uses the term
    'buckler' (a later term for a small
    shield), and the Eglwysilan stone
    warrior (see above) has a small round
    shield. The Margam stone also shows
    hunters with small round shields.
    Finally, let's bear in mind the
    unpracticality of moving through forest
    and undergrowth with a huge Viking 36"
    shield.

    The subject of armour is difficult.
    Gerald says that the Welsh are lightly
    armoured using small leather corselets
    (although we must remember that
    'armoured' in his day meant large
    amounts, however nearly all the
    warriors that went to Cattreath (the
    Gododdin) had mail-shirts. In
    literature, such as the Mabinogi, very
    few warriors are described in armour.
    Finally, we must bear in mind Harold's
    order to his men to remove their
    armour.

    How exactly did they fight ???. Gerald
    degrades the Welsh of his period for
    'leaping about all over the place' and
    failing to fight in the 'continental
    style'. He also describes their charges
    and the amount of noise that they make:

    '....when battle is first joined. They
    shout, glower fiercely at the enemy,
    and fill the air with fearsome clamour,
    making a high-pitched screech with
    their long trumpets'

    ' ...from their first fierce and
    headlong onslaught, and the shower of
    javelins which they hurl, they seem
    most formidable opponents. If the enemy
    resists manfully and they are repulsed,
    they are immediately thrown into
    confusion..'

    He also likens them to the earlier
    period Germans (Livy) in that 'In the
    first onslaught they are more than men,
    in the second they are less than
    women'.

    He is also kind enough to mention that:

    'Although beaten today and shamefully
    put to flight with much slaughter,
    tomorrow they march out again, no whit
    dejected by their defeat or loss'' They
    may not shine in open combat and in
    fixed formation, but they harass the
    enemy by their ambushes and their
    night-attacks'

    It would be reasonable to assume that a by Madoc
    Bonheddwr would own a long spear and
    round shield (that may be smaller than Conclusions
    it' s Saxon/Viking counterpart) and
    knife. He was likely to have had a bow
    and a couple of javelins. A few may
    have owned swords, which could well
    have been handed down through the
    family (and be old by the standards of
    other cultures). The only mention of
    axes is in the Mabinogi, but it would
    be difficult not to assume that such a
    useful common item would not have been
    taken to war and there are always the
    Viking traders and settlements if you
    want a 'proper' one.

    Members of a king's warband would be
    equipped in a similar way, and mounted
    in addition (although they don't appear
    to fight from horseback) . It is likely
    that the majority would have swords and
    some would wear light mail-shirts and
    possibly helmets. They are very much a
    warrior-elite and would be equipped
    better than the average Welshman ,
    although poorer compared to their
    Saxon/Viking counterparts. Given the
    covert nature of warfare in Wales, only
    an idiot would wear shiny mail and
    helmet......

    How they would fight

    I could not find an example of the
    Welsh using a shield wall, although
    that is not to assume that they didn't.
    There are examples of English Earls
    utilising Welsh allies (Edwin/Morcar in
    1065) but I would imagine that they
    would be used to perform things that
    they were best at, ambush or moving in
    rough terrain for example.

    It is easy to imagine a skirmish
    between two Welsh sides. Initially
    there would be the clashes between
    scouts; arrows from bushes. The main
    forces, of probably not more than
    hundred men, moving silently through
    the trees. Running battle, javelins and
    arrows, followed by bloody hand to hand
    combat in small groups. In such
    encounters leadership means little,
    each man fights with his chosen kin,
    seeking advantage wherever it may be
    gained; striking from surprise or from
    the rear. Finally, the pursuit of the
    beaten force for some time (Gerald says
    that the Welsh excel in pursuit).

    Pitched battles between the Welsh and
    other cultures is more problematical. .
    However, using Gerald, the Goddodin and
    heroic literature let's examine the
    likely result:

    First of all it is likely that men from
    many kin-groups would be present and it
    is possible that there will be distrust
    and even hostility between no few of
    them. They would gather in groups, each
    man standing with his kin or his
    warband, behind their leader. Gerald
    describes the shouting (singing,
    perhaps ??) and blowing of horns that
    would take place as the enemy comes
    into view.

    The overall leader of the Welsh would
    no doubt try and cajole his men into
    some kind of order and try to restrain
    the more impetuous from charging
    straight-away. As the enemy moves
    forward, some of the Welsh 'champions'
    would no doubt step forward and taunt
    them to the amusement of their fellows
    (maybe, this would result in
    'competitions' and insults from amongst
    other the other kin-groups). The enemy
    is closer now and the archers loose
    arrows ...suddenly one groups breaks
    ranks and charges and the rest would no
    doubt follow, javelins being launched
    on the way in.... With luck, the enemy
    will be overcome. However, it is easy
    to imagine that groups of men fighting
    unsupported by the rest of their army
    could easily be driven back, become
    confused by the battle around them,
    making their enemies job easier ... I
    would say that a disciplined force, and
    a modicum of luck, could overcome such
    tactics. Which is exactly the way
    Gerald sees it. The moral, for the
    Welsh anyway, is to stick to what they
    know best.

    http://www.castlewales.com/warfare.html
    The survival of earlier traditions of pre-Roman and early medieval Celtic culture in Wales was reflected in military terms - not least because the heavily armoured feudal horseman could not properly operate in the rough and hilly ground covering much of Wales. ... The Teulu (literally meaning "family") were strongly armed and mounted retainers. They were armed as a feudal knight, in chainmail and helmet, and carrying a shield and lance. Early in this period, the Teulu may have used javelins instead of lances, just like their Norman counterparts. In the C11th, the normal size of a prince's Teulu was 120 men; Llywelyn ap Gryffydd had a Teulu of 160 in 1282. ... The men of north Wales were mostly spearmen (the best being from Merionethshire and Cynan), and those from south Wales were mainly archers (the best being from Gwent, who were "accustomed to war"). However, this does not mean that the north Welsh had no archers, or vice versa. ... The warriors were dressed in a linen shirt (often red) and linen drawers; they covered these with a woolen cloak hanging to their knees, which was sometimes described as being "thin". Several manuscripts depict Welsh warriors as having only one shoe and their other foot bare - this probably allowed them to keep a balance on hilly or rough terrain. Hair was worn short, and was shaped around the eyes and ears; moustaches were popular, but beards were not. ... As mentioned above, the main weapons were long spears and bows, but javelins were also used, as were maces, gisarmes, and axes. A circular shield was carried by the foot soldiers, decorated white, yellow, silver, or blue. The bow used by the Welsh was made of elm, and unlike the way in which the English later utilised it, Welsh bows were fired at close range, as an ambush weapon. ... As mentioned before, the Teulu consisted of better equipped horsemen, known individually as Uchelwr; these upper class warriors also favoured red tunics, and dressed for battle in a similar style to the English knights ("Marchogs"). Although armed with lances, early Uchelwr's probably threw javelins like their Marchog rivals. ... The tactics used by Welsh armies were formulated to suit the awkward terrain of Wales - this was often the main weapon against the invading English. Primarily, Welsh tactics consisted of ambushes and raids; success in war was measured by the amount of booty brought home. Giraldus Cambrensis notes that it was Welsh habit "to steal anything they can lay their hands on and to live on plunder, theft and robbery". Battle was preferred on marshy or broken ground, which favoured the Welsh's mobility over the clumsy, heavily armoured English knights. The initial onslaught was fierce, but if this did not break the enemy, the Welsh often lost heart. Their spirits were picked up by loud battle cries and war trumpets blowing (according to C12th sources). ... The initial charge was a headlong assault accompanied by thrown javelins; this could be followed up by feigned flight (a common tactic amongst lightly armed and agile troops to lead their enemy into a trap). At the Battle of Lincoln in 1141, it was recorded that "On the flank there was a great multitude of Welshmen, better provided with daring than with arms" - as with most Celts of the medieval period, the Welsh relied upon agility and cunning as opposed to armour. ... When this agility was forsaken, the Welsh were comprehensively beaten - at Orewin Bridge (1282) and Maes Moydog (1295), the Welsh stood in phalanxes of long spears, like the Scots, and were shot to pieces and charges by Edward I's combination of archers and horsemen. ...

    http://www.regia.org/warfare/welswar.htm

    Overwhelmingly the evidence speaks of the king and his mounted war-band who were drawn from the nobility. There may be a bias against the inclusion of the peasantry in the records of some of the larger battles, but for the average raid this was clearly all that was needed. Some of the more powerful nobles may also have had their own war-band. Warriors could fight on horseback or on foot. The spear was the principle weapon, but nobles are recorded as owning a sword and wearing a mail shirt - presumably kings did so too if they wished to be kings for any length of time. The round shield and knife were also standard equipment. There are no descriptions of armed peasants in the literature. However, as they could certainly be called upon for military service we may assume they would have armed themselves with the crudest of weapons: spear and shield, knife, wood axe, bow or some agricultural implement. Peasants would probably have travelled and fought on foot if they ever found themselves in such a position.

    http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/var92a.html

    The Welsh and the Vikings

    http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/welsh.shtml

    http://www.regia.org/warfare/welswar.htm

    Of greater use to the Welsh kings of the tenth and eleventh centuries was the supply of Viking and Saxon mercenaries. The Viking mercenaries were probably drawn from Dublin and paid in silver in the form of coin or hack-silver, for there were no major Scandinavian settlements in Wales. Archaeological and documentary evidence seems to suggest that the Vikings concentrated almost exclusively on the lower lying coastal areas. The vast majority of raids were seaborne and most were aimed at Anglesey or Dyfed. Settlement probably only occurred on a relatively large scale in Dyfed, if the place name evidence is to be accepted. Many other scattered sites around Wales suggest that the Vikings had a direct effect on the coastal fringe of Wales. This is indicating to us more and more that they did the same as they had done before in other areas and created small settlements and farms in the flatter coastal edges. Anglesey, from the Norse Onglsae, or Ongul's sea, has been the site of some intense archaeological interest of late regarding the siting of Viking dwellings. These sites often occur close to previous sites used by the Welsh, and far from pushing them out, it seems that a gradual integration took place. The archaeological evidence is mostly limited to chance finds along the coastline, so that possible settlement site on the isle of Grassholm is no longer a solitary site. Swansea comes from Swein's sea, and Orm's Head near Llandudno speaks for itself. So who were the Vikings raiding around the Welsh coast, the Welsh or themselves?
  14. New Factions?

    Were there plans for a Briton (Brython) faction?
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