People rambo because it's more efficient, yes, but also because the factions are woefully imbalanced. Mex isn't wrong when he told you good luck trying to beat Sturgia with Aserai without effective mamuluke play. There is a difference though; not to call them out too much but I've seen VoV rambo in pub matchups plenty of times when they didn't need to, say the inverse of that matchup; they're Sturgia and the opponents are Aserai. A simple zerg rush of inf would easily defeat Aserai, especially on a map like hillfort, in a random pub match where the random pubs aren't trying to rambo or counter rambo and just take a terrible selection of already inferior troops and try to make it work. Instead of easily winning that way VoV will still rambo and just make the match take 15-20 mins longer than it should, which is dumb. From their PoV I guess it's because there is no point in playing anything else but cavalry in "competitive" captain right now until unit class limits are enforced in the next event so why bother practicing anything but cav but yeah that's where a lot of the toxicity stems from. And again not just gonna single out VoV for that because I've seen it from other teams and plenty of random pub players on the stronger faction side in a pub match, just VoV do it so frequently that I'm using them for the example.I don't think this is why they do it. People rambo because it is an efficient use of lives, more efficient than using your troops as intended. A player can spend 1 life to rack up 10 kills whereas a single Ai troop is unlikely to ever achieve that many on it's own. 1 life for 10 kills is more efficient than 10 lives for 10 kills, and that's how people who rambo see their ai troops, as extra lives since there are unlimited respawns as long as you have units on the field that you can spawn into. So the strategy is to preserve your troops (extra lives) and go off on your own to accumulate kills while you are only risking the 1 life. It simply will not go away until the mechanic disappears entirely.
Is captain as competitive as skirmish? No. Can captain still be a competitive game mode? Yes, as long as TW does not remove rambo play. Captain currently functions as extra lives skirmish mode. In tournament/event "competitive" play there could be an adoption of rules that make skirmish tournaments like BEAST function well by implementing a class limit on cavalry and creating an equitable distribution of matches when teams from different regions go head to head. The last season of Captain League featured Bo5s and Bo7s in the playoffs and needs to shift toward Bo4s with extended overtime in the event of a 2-2 where both sides play an additional game in their home ping region and the tie is broken by rounds won with play continuing until there is a clear winner. Ling is aware of these changes and their potential impact to create a better version of the game mode that again, will not be as competitive as skirmish given the existence of the braindead AI but will still likely function as skirmish with additional lives.Captain mode is not meant to be a competitive mode. There is nothing competitive about bots killing bots. It certainly is a nice gamemode for casual play but attempting to make this more competitive is delusional..
(P.S. doesn't mean you can't post feedback to generally improve massive bugs ofc)
There are many things wrong with the game for sure that WB had. Private servers, spectator mode, change weapons command for AI, better class system, etc. The point is not that I don't believe those things need to come; it's that endless crybaby circle jerk threads like this need to stop. This is what the game is giving you right now. TW will either improve their product in the future or lose business to the first studio that skins what worked with this and competently fix what does not. In the interim please stop spamming tired things like this because again you are completely free to play WB!Lmao, stop being such a ridiculous fanboy. Cavalry is OP in this game and multiple threads during BL lifespan confirm that fact. You can't counter cavalry with current class system, when you are forced to play with pre-made classes and majority of time you will play as a peasant unit, which doesn't have spears or other counter-cav weapons (besides Battanian one, idk, haven't played that corpse for half a year). That's not because of the individual skill, but because of a abysmal gamedesign. Nothing stopping you from playing Bannerlord, but please, don't expect others to accept this vision. Just accept the fact, that ignoring accomplishments of Warband made Bannerlord unplayable, unbalanced and killed all the fun in this "game". That is why that "game" is dead (please don't tell me about ~150 players and active clans, in comparison yesterday on 2 a.m.!!!!! around 400 players played NW)
Well no thats the whole point of people complaining about cavalry. A monkey riding a horse can get kills on cavalry, because its the easiest thing in the world, especially on public servers because of the chaos.
Cav is not a support unit. A support doesnt get 80% of kills in every single gamemode. A carry does.
NOTHING should be overpowered, this is a video game, this is not real life. This is not a simulation, its not a historical re-telling of events, this is a game people play to have fun. If the game is not fun, the game is a failure. The way cavalry works now is not fun, therefore it should be balanced. How hard is it to understand this.
Imagine hiding behind an alt account and labeling someone talking about playing cav in game modes akin to skirmish a "captain" player then routinely putting words in my mouth that are just your limited understanding and hatred of something you don't play. Yes a DM/RM team won extra lives skirmish what a surprise the best players in the game are the best players in the game. Yawn. AG didn't play that team and likely would've had better results than everyone else if we had. We did play XYZ and were better on cav and worse on inf in our 2-2 8 rounds to 8 rounds draw. That was the only time all season we drew an opponent with an even score and not one in our favor; we also lost 0 matches until having to play KoV in playoffs at 3/5 games in EU with NA W ping and we never played our 4 best cav in one game at the same time. AG flat out would've beaten that APE team in playoffs either 3-0 or 3-1 despite "superior players" on APE since APE's cav was worse than XYZ's who was worse than us, including me. APE somehow got 3-0ed in NA to KoV in Battania despite KoV on record saying they had no idea how to play that matchup and losing it twice in 3-0s to us. If KoV had their best two cav players for the semi against APE they would have won that but Ling unilaterally set the match a time convenient for him and ****ed KoV in the process. Let's not pretend like the APE team that entered "punished" anyone with a regular season full of forfeit wins (had more rounds lost than rounds won in actual matches until like a week before playoffs) and let's not pretend like APE was anywhere close to DM/RM who of course should and did win. You need to move on and let go of the idiotic "no players who play captain can be good" mindset. Again I don't know why you cannot comprehend there are various skill levels for players who play captain just as there are for skirmish so lumping an entire giant community of players together like that is pretty retarded, which is about your brandLol, i’ll beat you in a ft7 in my sleep. The only time i die to cav is when they backstab. Why is a captain player defending cav being op. Didn’t you learn your lesson when skirmish teams punished you in your safe zone? Despite having 2-3 dedicated cav players btw. It’s probably because the only way you can get kills in real multiplayer is running around with cav and backstabbing people. You’ve been literally insulting everyone since your first entry and called people that complain about cav “noobs”. That’s most of the player since beta btw. But ofc, captain mode players are the best of the best and devs should only listen to what they say and ignore everyone else.
Do you want me to create a thread of all the replies calling me ****? How do you actually not comprehend it's a two way street? Yes I weighed in saying that I'm tired of people creating useless threads like spamming the same bull**** without substance or acknowledgement that there are actual counters that exist. Then you attacked me. Do you think I thought I would be applauded for saying things like this? Are you actually slow?I just pasted a bunch of messages clearly showing you acting toxic, I showed you examples that you typed - no one else, of you massaging your own ego. Clearly stating that everyone else were noobs. I pasted several discussions that are recent showing that most other people simply do not have the same opinion as you (most of these members have been around longer than us), that cav is in fact OP and should be nerfed, or controlled on certain game modes. You go on and on and then point out one sentence, out of all the toxic rubbish that you posted and expect everyone to applaud you and agree with you...and to top it off after calling people "noobs", "salty", "tilted", "morons", "lizard brains", "retards", "idiots" you're saying I'm responsible for the toxic atmosphere..... are you serious?
Buddy literally go back to the start of the conversation or look at the replies. I cannot help you here, you need to figure it out on your own. Common problem for you it seems given the nature of the thread. If you want to continue this useless banter just dm me it'll save time and we can stop spamming the threadNo I'm not talking about that....oh it was me that created the toxic atmosphere ...oh okay.
[AG] Heir of Aenarion said:
Goddamn people who complain about cav being removed are such noobs..... So many salty archers that sit and camp all game who are tilted when any skilled cav come and wrecks their team in literally any game mode.
Nothing is preventing players from playing Warband,....yet so many players would rather complain than actually get better.
Lol I don't even feel bad for saying you cannot read if you don't understand you are the one who created a toxic atmosphere. ClassicThe majority of what you typed is pure toxicity, constantly massaging your ego and happily slagging others off.
....and after all that you draw our attention to one sentence. Maybe people chose not to listen because you're acting like an asshat?
Yes i agree, cav was definitely op in medieval sieges and you had cav climbing up the stairs and running around like bunch of fools without getting punished. In fact, medieval sieges consisted of defenders going mostly cav and attacking attackers at their spawn, this is so true. Also i agree that captain mode teaches you cav skills like bump hits and bump couching, not just pressing x. This is why all captain mode players are very skilled and gud. Even warband vets would look like bunch of scrubs compared to captain players since captain mode is the highest level of competition.
So weird that "good" "warband" players like yourself die very easily in siege and tdm still to "captain" players like me all the time. Sad!If you're playing archer or infantry and get killed by a cav taking 10 seconds to walk backwards up a long staircase then you deserve to die, plain and simple.
^ this sentence I wrote is what I'm talking about. It is abundantly clear you morons cannot read because this is a better solution for casual gamemodes like siege and tdm than anything your lizard brains have come up with. I'm not just saying get gud. Wake up, cav is supposed to be OP as it was in medieval combat. Oh No BuT iN WaRBaND CaV wAS moRE BAlaNCeD. This isn't warband. There are counters, most notably learning to play cav yourself since you understand it is the best class in the game currently. If that doesn't appeal to you no one is forcing you to play.Now you are coming along telling us that everyone just sucks and has to get better. On top of that you believe that some members here cannot read. You haven’t heard the bell ringing did you?
A more sensible change would be siege limiting the amount of cavalry each side can field at one time, yet that would require TW to code it in so it might as well be impossible.
Ah yes another guy hiding behind an alt account demeaning people who learned from captain. Like 5 retards from captain had this mentality and idiots like you somehow think it applies to the entire community. It is very easy to learn cav skills in captain that apply directly to every other gamemode since current captain is just skirmish with extra lives and 0 unit caps on cav. Since when are you supposed to win cav assisted 1v3s anyway lol the delusion is strong here. If you want to talk about the lack of chambering in this game compared to warband that is a more valid point and one I would suggest you guys stick with instead of endlessly complaining without offering solutions or actually pinging the devs. Again for all the **** something like the CL discord gets there is a direct line to the devs there so at least you can watch them ignore you in real timeCan you teach me how to fight backstabbing cav while dueling with 2 other people or how to chamber cav Ms. captain mode player? I know you're very skilled at the game and probably the best player just like all the other captain mode players. Everyone is here a noob and don't know how to fight cav except you. Plz teach me how to get gud at the game
Already gave a more insightful answer than anything you have come up with. Again it is far easier to complain about something than actually improving your play to the point where it isn't an issue; it literally only is an issue for people who don't have the technical skills to defend against it or play it themselves. No one is forcing anyone else to play and yet they continue to do so. Plenty of others have left. TW being aware of an "issue" ≠ TW making a change. Increasing the cost on cav won't stop bad players from getting destroyed by good cav. Siege is a causal gamemode, even the proposed siege "league" will not be competitive because it is a casual gamemode with wonky mechanics, generally bad maps, and a major advantage for the defenders always if the sides were close to being equal in skill.So everyone in this thread are needlessly complaining and are nubs. Along with everyone in these threads;
In this thread its pointed out by a moderator that the developers have identified that cav are too impactful (which we know they will increase the cost of them);
But all these people are just nubs and know nothing about anything. Even though this subject is brought up again and again, perhaps its because there is some truth to it. Or maybe they are just nubs that can't compare to your elite skillz.