Because it was requested quite frequently and allows people to finally kill that dude who keeps raiding their villages or take over an existing faction without waiting forever and a day for any non-Lucon ruler to die.Fact that % chance have to be tweaked down to 2% and it still might not be enough to not brake the game begs a question -why have it in the first place?
Because it was requested quite frequently and allows people to finally kill that dude who keeps raiding their villages or take over an existing faction without waiting forever and a day for any non-Lucon ruler to die.
Something to keep in mind is that the 2% hasn't been implemented yet and may well see adjustments, especially since it will be for AI vs AI battles too. It seems like a very small number because all deaths are only through player involvement at the moment, with all AI battles included it may even out to their previously stated goal of "about 5 deaths in battle per year".I am not per see against trying it as a concept in the game, but so far devs clearly did not find a mechanic that would somehow make it work. Reducing chance to 2% is ridiculous. Players who wanted to exterminate their foes in battles won't get what they wanted and rest of the players will be left to deal with RNG so low that it will feel unfair and arbitrary every time it will trigger.
It's been an issue for a very long time. Are there some technical issues with implementing it properly, are you tinkering with exact values for balance or is it pending for some other changes?There is a plan to reduce the death chances. The deaths from automatic battles will be enabled and the overall death chance will be reduced by about 80% as well. Also, the medicine will affect the life and death of heroes a lot more so that a 0 medicine and a 250 medicine doctor will have very different outcomes when stabilizing wounded heroes.(similar to wounded troops).
Why not just turn off death in battle in the difficulty settings?To me this is even more important than the dynamic terrain update and I've been putting off my next serious playthrough for over half a year, waiting for it to get fixed. If someone lets us know that it's something that won't get fixed until next year, I may finally relent and just play with modded disabled deaths. Otherwise I'll just keep on waiting and replying whenever I find a topic like this, I guess.
Because dynastic stuff is a big part of the game and this setting just turns it off.Why not just turn off death in battle in the difficulty settings?
I was under the impression that turning off the setting Enable Birth and Death did that but only turning off death in battle allowed for children to be born.Because dynastic stuff is a big part of the game and this setting just turns it off.
You're probably thinking about the setting that is related only to your clan members chance of death. And I'm talking about death related to AI lords as well.I was under the impression that turning off the setting Enable Birth and Death did that but only turning off death in battle allowed for children to be born.
Was that mistaken?
Wait, you mean this can affect the death ratio in battle even further? So with 0 medicine, you will use a standard death ratio of e.g. 2% (as baseline) but the higher you go with medicine perks it will be further lowered? So basically it would be further impossible (or nearly) to lose your mates, under your command, during the battle, right? Or am I getting it wrong?Also, the medicine will affect the life and death of heroes a lot more so that a 0 medicine and a 250 medicine doctor will have very different outcomes when stabilizing wounded heroes.(similar to wounded troops).
It isn't. It is just a flat chance. I thought it had actually been nerfed to 2% a few patches ago and complained about it but it turned out it wasn't nerfed at all. It was just luck that I went through something like 30 downed lords without one of them dying.Out of curiosity, is death chance formula in any form connected to how many NPCs are present in battle? I'd battle 100 NPC parties in a row one on one, none of them die but then I'd join a big field battle and bang, 2-3 of them die, ironically most of them my allies. Feels like the game is cheating.
This.I didn't see it been requested frequently and I am playing MB since original one, including lurking around TW forum here. Of course I might have not payed attention, since for me it was not an issue.
Anyway, in the game were battles happen hyper unrealistically often and where fatalities and casualties in those battles are hyper unrealistically high and where at the same time characters are expected to have realistic life expectancies, introducing death in battle will cause major problems. That should have been apparent since the beginning. It was to me anyway.
I am not per see against trying it as a concept in the game, but so far devs clearly did not find a mechanic that would somehow make it work. Reducing chance to 2% is ridiculous. Players who wanted to exterminate their foes in battles won't get what they wanted and rest of the players will be left to deal with RNG so low that it will feel unfair and arbitrary every time it will trigger.
If you want to merge hyper intensive combat in a game with mortality, you need to do it through some mechanic that is more then just % dice that player have no control over. For example in Kenshi when you are struck down, you don't get killed outright. You get bleeding and you enter "recovery coma". At that point character, NPCs including can either bleed to death or get medical first aid. That's something player, and even NPCs have control about, since NPCs are programed to give first aid to allied characters, they can even carry such disabled character to bed to speed up healing. That's example of a good design of combat mortality in a computer game. Now that's not example that can be used in MB, I am just giving it as a demonstration of how good mechanic should look like. Yes characters can get killed in combat. But they have fair amount of control over it. Again, NPC characters including. Death itself isn't that random.
MB approach was that essential character could not die, they only got wounded on been struck down in combat. That too is an example of a good mechanic and it worked well in pervious MBs. If devs want to change that and introduce fatalities to the combat for essential characters, they should figure out something better then 2% chance. That's a bad design in my opinion.
AI lords will fight hundreds of battles throughout their lives, even at 2% they eventually are likely to all die on the battlefield. Looking at historical examples from our own world for what that is worth this only happened very rarely, mainly because they were usually the most armored, further from the fighting, surrounded by bodyguards and most importantly of all, enemy troops wanted to take heavily armored opponents alive so they could get a good ransom.OMG, 2%? That's critically low, why would ever have this feature if lords will be almost immortal again?
Just remember that we had (and maybe still have) a 2% chance of being executed by the AI lord who hates you. Question: how many times have you been executed in all your playthroughs?
@SadShogun please, tell me you won't lower it to this ridiculously low numbers
The death probability is 10%, that is quite high when you think of how many battles they will be involved in once it gets brought to to AI vs AI, your first hand experiences are anecdotal. It will be a bloodbath, whole clans will die out very quickly.That's all strict statistic, in fact nobles die very rare in my playthroughs. Even in sieges, where lords die more often, because of their quantity, the death probability is very low - in 4 sieges I played in a row, only 1 lord died (and he was already at the brink of the death anyway - 56 y.o.).
So, I am against 2% probability for lord to die in battle. It will ruin the whole death feature.
You've missed the point where I was saying that the death chance should be reduced when AI vs AI is implemented, but not to 2% for all the saint. With that rate it'll be hardly a difference playing Warband or Bannerlord.The death probability is 10%, that is quite high when you think of how many battles they will be involved in once it gets brought to to AI vs AI, your first hand experiences are anecdotal. It will be a bloodbath, whole clans will die out very quickly.
I think you may be underestimating the impact of continuously rolling a 2% chance.You've missed the point where I was saying that the death chance should be reduced when AI vs AI is implemented, but not to 2% for all the saint. With that rate it'll be hardly a difference playing Warband or Bannerlord.