Basically all of these things.. It been over 3 months, so much to "very soon".Fully agree. What would you like to see in that bigger update? Any specifics?
Basically all of these things.. It been over 3 months, so much to "very soon".Fully agree. What would you like to see in that bigger update? Any specifics?
There is simply no hope for this game. Almost everybody bashing the game isn't trying to solve anything at this point, it's about having a good time, making the criticisms loud and clear, and reflecting on this black situation. Nobody actually expects the situation to change. TW will continue to do what they're doing regardless of what people do on here.My entire point during this is that good communication on both sides needs to have people be more polite, and not just bash the game in general.
I joined this forum two days ago, there is no possible way that I could possibly help as many people on this forum and report as many bugs on this forum as you have. What I've been trying to contribute is to let people actually think for a second before they go all doomsday and listen to only half of what a dev says. That has always been what I tried to do. Also, if that's being schooled in an argument, I'm kinda shocked ngl.
It was both being haha clever and also my thoughts on this thread. Just as the mod said, this thread devolved quickly, and even this last part, on both sides OP and those against him.
Overall, I do have some things to add. Personally, I want pretty much everything added in this (https://forums.taleworlds.com/index...kwards-in-multiple-areas-from-warband.431963/) thread. With these added, which they still haven't been, I will consider Bannerlord to be the better game between Warband and itself.
Because M&B multiplayer has been something incredibly special. I've always loved the combat, its (relative) realism, its thrill, and its skill ceiling, but this game failed more in this department than probably anything else. The MP is incredibly shallow, full of issues, badly designed game modes, and MP quickly dying makes this painfully obvious.Why is an expanded multiplayer experience important to you?
It's pretty important, they have made M&B what it is. Yet it is on a serious downhill decline due to this situation, and its future looks grim, and TW has no respect for it.How important is the Warband/Bannerlord community to you?
It's important because the singleplayer could be one of the most groundbreaking SP experiences in gaming yet if it was well designed and far more expanded than it is now. But that is now so far out of the realm of possibility. That's what makes this whole situation so much more maddening than it apparently should be because this game leaves you with a taste that it has the potential to blow Warband out of the water, but is currently in such a mediocre state. On top of that, TW is greatly contented with the current status and wants to fully release it and move on as quickly as possible, recognizing none of that potential.Why is an expanded Singleplayer experience important to you?
Clearly, TW has gotten themselves in a royal mess of sorts, and if I was in charge, I'd publicly apologize and implement transparency in what went wrong, because clearly, something went terribly wrong. Something involving the leadership or organization has severely handicapped TW's ability and capacity to develop the game, and the code, I hear, is an absolute mess. A big company change in some way involving the organization would probably be the only way to tackle the root of the problem. Oh, and maybe communicating and actually LISTENING from the top to the community would change the mood of the forums. But maybe the situation and game is so ****ed that no matter who's in charge, they can't implement anything significant. But if that were true, it's very strange that individual modders have fixed so many issues that TW can't fix or refuses to fix.What would you do if you were in Taleworlds shoes?
Wait... What?Oh Gods please let this turn into one of the threads of guys posting thier shirtless karate pics! We haven't had in a good while now!
I'm sorry, but if this is what you constitute as having "no hope for a game" that really isn't much. Games have been in worse states and gone on to do great things, just look at two titles, No Man Sky and also DayZ. Both of these games have been in "no hope" states yet after years of work they have gone on to succeed. And, to be quite frank, if you're bashing the game on these forums when people are trying to actually fix the game since they still have hope, then that's just a ****ty move. It makes it harder for people who have actual complaints and critiques to look good, and therefor get their complaint to be looked at more seriously.There is simply no hope for this game. Almost everybody bashing the game isn't trying to solve anything at this point, it's about having a good time, making the criticisms loud and clear, and reflecting on this black situation. Nobody actually expects the situation to change. TW will continue to do what they're doing regardless of what people do on here.
I hope OP realizes by this point what the community wants is to be mad.
The rants get the headlines, but there's a lot of constructive discussion in the threads. Some people feel cheated and are frustrated that they can't do anything about it. Other people want moderate changes that would make the game decent at least.I hope OP realizes by this point what the community wants is to be mad.
No, we are really not. There is no legal transaction that happened that makes a simple purchase like being an investor on a stock exchange, barring the very fundamental fact that even investors are not necessarily shareholders that have a vote on what a company must do to return your investment, particularly not if they only own 1/5000 000 the of a share of a company (do not know the game purchases now)....
If Bannerlord were listed on stock exchanges, we would be the investors (and of course we are in a sense).
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First of all I am not an ass licker <snip>
Second, I have to say that this is the saddest and, at the same time, most pathetic response this thread has gotten. I mean cmon you could not be more spineless than that. "I have no power, I have no choice, everything is ****ed, blablabla". If I was even coming close to being so desperate I would have stopped hanging out here long ago. Maybe you should do like your steam friends and move on.
That's the only sane part of your responce:
If TaleWorlds was actively trying to make changes, but productivity problems at the moment prevented them from doing so, they could say so and 85% of the forum would understand, as would I.
The rest is just *****ing. Read it again once the game is fully released and you are over the "poor me no choice frustrated chump" thing.
If I was taleworlds I would not even think about improving a game for community of players like you.
...this thread demonstrates that very well.
Oh, it does. It very much does. Also demonstrates how easily many of you 'forum veterans' can get so incredibly riled up by a single person and struggle to remain mature and civil. It's sad, but also entertaining.
Problem is that TW is oversteched.If i remmmemebr correctly for years it was plan for them to focus on SP only and once its finished/or near the end of making SP then they will dive into MP.That was also with Modding Tools bcs ORIGINALY modding tools was projected to be worked on AFTER the game is Finished cbs that way it would be so much easyer nad faster for Devs cbs they would have free up manpower and also it would be much easyer bcs the game wouldve been finished so they can without much problems soly focus on Mooding Toos BUT TAHNSK TO CONSATNT COMMUNITY BIT*HING TW stupidy ended going with making SP,MP and Modding Tools at the same time witch DEFFINETLY oversterched them and made it so they waste time nad resorces nad dividint stuff ending in brkoen mess of SP,MP and MT wich hen resuthss in even more bit**ing of community cbs now they alos have people form MP,MT side that joined in the bit**ing.Hello fellow raiders!
I've been following the discussion on some parts of the forum and Youtube and it seems to me there is a misalignment of the direction TW is going and what the community, at least the majority of it on the forums, wants. So, I propose we have a mature discussion about it, leaving all the hostility, frustrations and "TW DOESNT CARE ABOUT US" at the door.
Having said that let's not forget that TW delivered an insane game, I mean c'mon guys what other game supports 1000 NPC third person battles with such stunning visuals? In a lot of aspects it is a huge step forward from warband and I think that a lot people fail to give TW enough credit for that.
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So...
Looking at Bannerlord's steam charts currently there are about 15k players per day, which I find interesting because the multiplayer servers have very few players. Yes there are a lot of people playing the recent Bannerlord Online mod (right now ~400 total). But still, I must presume those are 15k players are mostly singleplayer players.
Jumping into Warband multiplayer I saw that there is a considerably larger amount of players, compared to Bannerlord's multiplayer but compared to warband's steam charts there are around 4,5-5k players a day. So the logical deduction, it seems to me, is that a lot more players are choosing Warband's Multiplayer to Bannerlord's Multiplayer and vice versa for the singleplayer aspects. This seems to be reflected by the updates that we have had for Bannerlord - largely singleplayer focused.
Knowing that there is, even though somewhat limited, support for singleplayer modding and virtually no support for multiplayer modding and even server creation, the question is: How many players would actually want to partake in: Native Multiplayer, Modded Multiplayer, MP and SP mod development if these were available?
I invite all of you to vote in the POLL on this thread, it is important to know what the community actually wants.
Seeing how many thousands of players joined Bannerlord Online when it first launched this seems to indicate there is a huge demand for more online feature support, so let's see how true this actually is. I ask you to send this thread to your fellow warparty members, so we can get as many votes and responses as possible!
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Finally, I want to know what YOU think.
Why is an expanded multiplayer experience important to you?
How important is the Warband/Bannerlord community to you?
Why is an expanded Singleplayer experience important to you?
What would you do if you were in Taleworlds shoes?
And, please! Keep it mature. Keep the bashing and blamegame on a separate thread. TW has been working on this masterpiece game for almost 10 years now and they delivered, don't forget that. It is normal and understandable to lose direction a little bit over a decade. I think we can all forgive them about this and help them to better understand the community's needs and steer the ship in the right direction!
Premade classes are even better in my opinion. Indeed at first it felt like the old system is a "missing thing" from warband, but now people don't even notice it.Battle gamemode would be great indeed. Thats what I played the most in Warband Native MP. The arena map with ~20 players.
As for premade classes thing, I dont mind the change that much than the rest of forum posters I guess. And also I doubt TW is going to make it an option for player-run servers. My personal prediction - its gonna become a modded server thing if that many people want it.
The more customizable MP servers are, the more popular. For example, adding friendly fire to siege MP changes so much.
Lastly, can we please refrain from filling this thread with garbage TW good or TW bad debatelord ****. It literally doesnt matter. If you see some debater post irrelevant ****, just ignore them.
So?I find it interesting that 50% of the players aren't interested in the online aspect. I thought it would be somewhere around 20-30% max.
Maybe it's even more, I'd imagine most SP only players don't really visit the forums as much as MP players. May be wrong though. TW probably knows that.
I find it interesting that 50% of the players aren't interested in the online aspect. I thought it would be somewhere around 20-30% max.
Maybe it's even more, I'd imagine most SP only players don't really visit the forums as much as MP players. May be wrong though. TW probably knows that.
There definitely is a multiplayer community on these forums, but they spend more time on the dedicated section. From what I've heard, if you think people here are angry, you will have a hard time going through their threadsMultiplayer is ALMOST, "cough cough" cav menavlion, balanced, it would be like why fix what's not broken. Maybe some people would miss it just due to nostalgia, but when the server's get populated again and the mods and dedicated servers are released, most of that will be gone anyway.