ArturMorhghain
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Another thread dedicated to women. You have problems people.
It just keeps happening.
Another thread dedicated to women. You have problems people.
People accusing others that they're "not aware" of evil they're allegedly doing, without actually looking at the case objectively, is just making a problem out of thin air. Look at the reality of the case. A father prevention his child from eating glue is a well-meaning act of protection. It's not a problem. It's a good thing in fact. Calling it oppression would be utterly stupid.The type of oppression we seem to inherit and exersice without beeing aware of it. The type of oppression we exersice because we believe we are superior to someone else because of gender, etnicity, age or basically anything you can think of.
I think we are all doing bad things we are not aware of but I don't define that as "evil".People accusing others that they're "not aware" of evil they're allegedly doing, without actually looking at the case objectively, is just making a problem out of thin air.
Ofcource I do think my view is better than yours. But I don't think I am better than you, I don't even think you are wrong. You are just not seeing the same perspective I do. I hope you see some reason in my above argumentationHell. Are you not debating me because you think your view is better than mine? Are you attempting to oppress me?
? ? ?Taleworlds have said themselves that Bannerlord works best when it cleaves fairly closely to history. And they have worked hard to do that in pretty much every area... except the 50-50 gender ratio for battlefield commanders. And you're not allowed to point this out without being called a woman hater, even if you love playing other games which have 50-50 gender ratios in settings where it makes sense (modern day, magic fantasy, sci-fi, etc).
Wow... that's the most screwed up thing I've heard in a while. A woman who's not in a position of "power" is just a useless breeding slave? There's so many wrong things in that statement I don't even know where to start. Do you think the effort and sacrifice a woman puts into pregnancy and giving birth is useless? And what are you gonna call women who do want to be housewives?Idealogical... And religious for that part, can differ. For the sake of having a more diversified and including world than our own, I very much prefer having female leaders. Bases on our world, a 100% accurate setting, female charachters wouldn't serve any purpuse at all in Bannerlord. No noteables, no warriors, no warlords, no clergy(if thats ever implemented), no merchants, very few clan-leaders, some governors.... they would ONLY be useless breed-slaves! BECAUSE FEMALE AREAS ARE NOT COVERED IN BANNERLORD OR IN OTHER GAMES MEN PLAY!!(And I don't think it should - A game must be interesting!)
You don't learn the mistakes of history by erasing them. You learn them by looking at them and analyzing them. This is another reason why people who love history keeps speaking against the woke culture poisoning media. Altering the representation of history is short-sighted and dangerous. Knowledge is continuously lost through time. If people keep doing altering history, given enough time, future generations will think past mistakes never even happened.So let Calradia be a better place - at least in this aspect! We have this option because Calradia is a made-up world only based on our history. They must not have made every misstake we did to be an interesting place!
Inclusivity should not be the basis of thinking and actions. You should not dictate your thoughts and actions by the social grouping of a person, but the content of their character. Think of what will it cause. Someone might not get accepted into a company just because they haven't included enough people of race X yet. Go far enough in this direction, and that's what you will do. Racism.And... I don't think your immersion and historical accuricy is worth that price. Let players have an as mixed and as inclusive set of heroes and idols as possible to make people THINK and BEHAVE in an inclusive way.
It's interesting how the unwoke people are only complaining about woke-like alteration of history in entertainment. Which is just a small part of how entertainment distorts actual history for the sake of making their product more popular.You don't learn the mistakes of history by erasing them. You learn them by looking at them and analyzing them. This is another reason why people who love history keeps speaking against the woke culture poisoning media. Altering the representation of history is short-sighted and dangerous. Knowledge is continuously lost through time. If people keep doing altering history, given enough time, future generations will think past mistakes never even happened.
Nope. People complain about and make fun of historically inaccurate entertainment all the time. It's just that "woke" people tend to lash out when people point out their inaccuracies, and call people names like racists and stuff. Just like what keeps happening in these threads.It's interesting how the unwoke people are only complaining about woke-like alteration of history in entertainment. Which is just a small part of how entertainment distorts actual history for the sake of making their product more popular.
But for them only wokeness ruined everything and the Western civilization is suddenly at end.
While threads like these are not a proof of mysoginy or conservatism, there's a strong hint of those if you are not new to gaming sites and the gamer population overlaps with alt-right and incel groups.Nope. People complain about and make fun of historically inaccurate entertainment all the time. It's just that "woke" people tend to lash out when people point out their inaccuracies, and call people names like racists and stuff. Just like what keeps happening in these threads.
I don't see woke people starting threads demanding more equal representation of sexes. The loud ones are those that start "too many woman are ruining my life" threads.It doesn't help the fact that woke people are loud and always looking for problems. Recently there's that #BoycottGenshin thing on Twitter, as an example. I doubt it went anywhere tho.
I'm not denying that possibility. I saw many of such comments in Total War threads.While threads like these are not a proof of mysoginy or conservatism, there's a strong hint of those if you are not new to gaming sites and the gamer population overlaps with alt-right and incel groups.
I'd guess it's because in this particular game, the ratio is already pretty much equal, so there's nothing for them to demand. They're still loud replying to threads complaining about the ratio though. When it comes to other games and media, however, it's another story. Just like that hashtag I mentioned earlier.I don't see woke people starting threads demanding more equal representation of sexes. The loud ones are those that start "too many woman are ruining my life" threads.
Tell me.. what purpose does a non partyleading noble serve in Bannerlord, male or female? They can be governors. Thats a "breeding-slave" to me, because if you have 3 male charachters in your clan and they are all married, at least 2 female charahters in your clan serves no other purpuse. Call that extreme if you wish but how would it look in AI clans? A lot of women would just "hang around" doing nothign at all, except breeding children. Yes, females had other important things to do at the time but none of these things are in the game. Tell me how their "power" whould shine in Bannerlord, please? Where is the "most screwed up thing you have ever heard" in that?Wow... that's the most screwed up thing I've heard in a while. A woman who's not in a position of "power" is just a useless breeding slave? There's so many wrong things in that statement I don't even know where to start. Do you think the effort and sacrifice a woman puts into pregnancy and giving birth is useless? And what are you gonna call women who do want to be housewives?
.. In Bannerlord!!!And I don't know what you mean by "based on our world women didn't serve any purpose at all."
What notables? Some artisans, yes.Women did fill those positions you mentioned. There were women (many) notables, (rare) warriors, (rare) warlords, (rare) clergy, (many) merchants, (occasional) clan leaders, (occasional) governors.
You don't learn the mistakes of history by erasing them. You learn them by looking at them and analyzing them. This is another reason why people who love history keeps speaking against the woke culture poisoning media. Altering the representation of history is short-sighted and dangerous. Knowledge is continuously lost through time. If people keep doing altering history, given enough time, future generations will think past mistakes never even happened.
Inclusivity should not be the basis of thinking and actions. You should not dictate your thoughts and actions by the social grouping of a person, but the content of their character. Think of what will it cause. Someone might not get accepted into a company just because they haven't included enough people of race X yet. Go far enough in this direction, and that's what you will do. Racism.
The options between genders becomes less interesting when you make men and women equal, at that point you're just picking the gender you want your avatar to be. If you actually portray it historically and show the difference between how men and women were actually treated you could have wildly different game experiences which makes for a more interesting game.
Same goes for "diversity" and "mixed" units, it isn't interesting if nothing happens from it. You get interesting scenarios if certain people don't like another group of people so you have to account and manage for that, similar to how Warband had a morale penalty for being at war with the host faction you had troops from (if you had Rhodok troops and were at war with the Kingdom of Rhodoks) or how Viking Conquest had a morale penalty for having pagans in a Christian party, or vice versa. Your idea of a melting pot of diversity just results in the end result of a melting pot, a bowl of sameiness with nothing notable.
note:reson why its in big letter is bcs the caps lock is broken off and the thingy is stuck (for now)cant put it out need needle or toothpick to get it unstuck or push it down to work.I think we are all doing bad things we are not aware of but I don't define that as "evil".
I´m not saying you are wrong, historically. 99.99% of historical warleaders are likely males. Maybe more nines, even olot of them..
There are reasons for that. Idealogical, biological and religious.
The biological reasons I buy. That´s the good reasons, and that alone I think motivates at least 75% male worlords, 25% female.
Idealogical... And religious for that part, can differ. For the sake of having a more diversified and including world than our own, I very much prefer having female leaders. Bases on our world, a 100% accurate setting, female charachters wouldn't serve any purpuse at all in Bannerlord. No noteables, no warriors, no warlords, no clergy(if thats ever implemented), no merchants, very few clan-leaders, some governors.... they would ONLY be useless breed-slaves! BECAUSE FEMALE AREAS ARE NOT COVERED IN BANNERLORD OR IN OTHER GAMES MEN PLAY!!(And I don't think it should - A game must be interesting!)
If that´s what we want, sure. Continue to demand it and defend it as you are doing.
That's however not what I want to support. That´s not what I want young men (and women, even if wargame - playing females are still in huge minority) to learn and appriciate. They should learn history, yes. They should learn how we treated each other in history(and still do in some places) and they should learn in a way where they can see the value of all people. Games has a HUGE power and resposibility here...!
So let Calradia be a better place - at least in this aspect! We have this option because Calradia is a made-up world only based on our history. They must not have made every misstake we did to be an interesting place!
And... I don't think your immersion and historical accuricy is worth that price. Let players have an as mixed and as inclusive set of heroes and idols as possible to make people THINK and BEHAVE in an inclusive way.
Ofcource I do think my view is better than yours. But I don't think I am better than you, I don't even think you are wrong. You are just not seeing the same perspective I do. I hope you see some reason in my above argumentation
Or just do the total sex convertion opposite to whats in the game now. Luconia, Garia and Rhagael at the empires' helms. Adrama (Aserai), Olka (Sturgia), Raganvalda (Sturgia), Caladogia (Battania or Battan, lets change other names too!), Dertherta in Vlandion... Just some loose ideas. Let US switch it complately by just pressing "new sexes" game button..Can we just have a faction of amazon female characters that hadouken one shot perma-kill everyone they come into contact with
Make sure to give them anime armour
It has to be a troll. No way this guy is serious. If he is...that is a very apt way of describing that post. ?Well, that's one way of having a psychotic episode.