Yes, I might have misphrased.
Truth is, these forums aren't going to decide whether this game is FINANCIALLY successful or not.
Sorry for the confusion.
Okay, that clarifies your point of view. Thank you for clearing that up for me. Though I do disagree with it, while it's more likely that the masses are swayed by a review written on a dedicated site for such things, a review on Youtube or similar sites. Most of the things they point out has been around the forums a long time before they even did the review. A journalist's job isn't a discovery of new and interesting things, they gather the information that has already happen and present that information in the
best possible way to underline their point of view. Just to clarify, I'm not saying these people couldn't have found out all that information, they present, themselves, but why reinvent the wheel?
For
journalist: It's my basic understanding, that's what you do, feel free to correct me if your point of view on the profession differs a lot from my own.
As for your question, simple. Sales.
Again, you've completely missed answering the question, I didn't ask how you personally evaluate when a product is a success. I was asking what is the deciding factor when creating a product, that has an impact on the success of, said product? Because you clearly with your previous statements don't think this forum (or any forum) contributes to the success of this (or any) product.
Your points on best seller are obsolete, it is simply a fact lol. I don't care if it holds it for another 2 days, I really don't understand why you are now contradicting yourself too. Cyberpunk and Vampires are for sure going to outsell BL, but they haven't released so they shouldn't be apart of the equation(according to your own words).
The same should go for these unreleased games no? They are unfinished and not even out, right? Why mention them at all?
Was it late when you wrote this? you seem to be repeating yourself. Though I concede your point since I wasn't being clear on mine.
Bestseller of 2020 with this buggy mess? Why? Because it still beats most AAA products out there still.
You call this a buggy mess and have bought it, only, because it still beats most AAA products out there. I would consider that a direct insult to TW and all other AAA products by your own definition. Why? Because you've already stated that, the way, you, perceive a product's success, is, in fact, profits - or in your direct paraphrasing "sales". furthermore, you wrote:
5 million who bought the game
While the numbers I've read puts the sales between two to five million copies sold (I think there's a difference in a 3 million tolerance on the sales numbers), within the first month of an EA (so not the complete game) and that Cyberpunk 2077 is estimated to have sales in the 20 million at its release, you still don't even remotely think that Bannerlords, could be, considered, a Triple-A title of 2021-22? When it's going to be a full release.
This is the sole purpose of what is called the QA team. The difference is, not all of the 5 million who bought the game go on these forums, which is why it would be crucial to extend outside of the QA team since many long time fans(and new ones) inhabit it. This is literally one of the reasons the beta/alpha exists, in case you aren't aware. BL is too complex a game, and the reason they released it in EA is that they needed help with more testers. Some things that haven't made the list of known issues are being reported here, usually in the hopes of seeing if they aren't outliers, but right now these problems are either confirmed by devs in replies and usually aren't edited into the patch notes.
Similarly, it's not like pinpoint issues, and communication isn't happening. What you consider inefficient isn't changing the fact that it is still being practiced, though on a smaller scale. We are simply asking it to be on a larger scale.
I can only assume you haven't read the full post your commenting on since I've already given my point of view on this. So I'm going to quote myself and leave it with this post, and that "5 million testers" theory, by your very own definition, doesn't come to this forum, can they then, be considered actual tester of the game? they might not even report crashes, we can't actually know what they are doing, can we?
I wrote a reply to the OP:
I agree with you to some extent that a little more communication, is not going to hurt them. But that doesn't mean what your asking for can't be in direct conflict with what this part of the EA is about.
And that could be one of the reasons that they don't just put up one sticky post. Simply because it would create too much attention, so most of the forum would then be "blinded" by the angel lights, and they would miss a majority of the diversity that the tester/players have at the moment. This could then lead to oversights that have to be corrected later. Now that argument could also be made for the direct opposite.
Which leads me to my last point, this is also why it should be up to the developers, to make that decision and not fall to some misguided peer-pressure of the masses. Simply because we don't know anything, which also means we would have a very limited understanding of what that decision entails, and what consequences that would have on the end-product.
To clarify, just because you think, you can be of better use, as a tester by doing it "
your way", doesn't mean you're going to be.
In case you don' know, this is a developer, he is literally asking people on a pinpointed problem - not in the patch notes - for help.
Source
I know. I have read some of his posts, though not all, simply because I don't feel that's the best way to help the development of this product overall. Again you've been smart enough to find him so why not just follow him and read his post so you can test that game "your way". No need to involve everybody else. Let the developers decide when, and how, we as forum-user/testers can be best utilized as a group.
