INTRODUCTION:
As someone has pointed out, it happens in M & B that entire armies of a faction turn their attention to a small castle of an opposing faction located on the opposite side of the world just because its garrison is with few men, perhaps in relation to some recent evidence which has decreed this condition.
It is clear that a large army or more armies must move along the map and therefore must bring food for humans.
At stake, in a few words, we fill the food inventory and then we start with the attack.
This leads the enemy to defend himself in his territory by coming to us from the front, or, if he can avoid us, to go to our territory to create problems.
But it is difficult to happen because since we started a lot ahead of them, we could have time to do what we have to and get back in time to stop them.
In reality, the armies that march on the front must have a constant supply line of provisions, weapons and more.
So I thought: why not make sure that a LINE OF SUPPLY is established between the point in the map where you are and the last place visited?
HOW THE IDEA IS IMPLEMENTED
(help me to improve it if you like it, in this way, even if in the original game there is not because the times do not allow it, some good soul of a modder, can resume the idea and make the game more strategic even in the campaign map.)
Imagine the game map in which you move the horse with your pg and around you have the towns / villages / castles and in sight you pass the npc or groups of them, which leave their tracks.
in short .. the usual screen!
enter the city and exit.
go on for a few seconds and you will see behind you a trail that connects you to the city you left behind.
That's your supply line!
Now that you have a clearer picture, let's go specifically.
The strength of this line depends on the place you left behind and allows you not to use the food in the inventory or slow down the consumption, which without the line, suffers quite heavily. (Clearly are parameters to be evaluated, I give only the qualitative idea).
It also affects the MORALE OF THE BATTLE and the QUALITY OF TROOPS.
In this way, an attacking army is forced to attack from several fronts to cover a larger area and prevent the enemy from circling the army to hit the supply line and prevent the advance.
On the other hand, the attacker will also hit the enemy supply line to benefit from the advantages.
one steals part or all of the booty.
Specifically, I would tie this result to the type of attack that is performed.
If you damage the places where these resources are stored.
For example, the use of flaming arrows is likely to cause a chariot to fire.
DEEPENING THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUPPLY LINES:
This paragraph takes into account the appearance of the line in the campaign map and a qualitative feedback of the same.
the support line itself is not a real line, but of the caravans of goods that travel, so do not confuse the line itself with its appearance.
The support capacity(goods/ day or goods/week or goods/month and boost of morale) depends on the color of the line and its length, depending on the last place visited and the distance from it.
- Better is the city / castle / village left behind, more towards red is the color of the line, which symbolizes the ability to support.
- the greater the distance from the city that has been left, the longer the line will be and its color will turn towards a colder color.
as with the tracks on mount & blades that turn from red to blue.
A less warm color leads to a less efficient line, due to the difficult management of the supply, given the distance.
We see the line, but not the enemy, at least not seeing the conveyor belt along it (with the spotting ability).
tracking and spotting skills here play a nice role for the enemy.
(EDIT: ON SCOUTING skill and his perk)
the quality of the line increases the likelihood that it will be discovered even if no wagon runs through it if the enemy has enough high tracking ability.
clearly the choice of colors depends on the developers and your feedback. The colors I used are examples.
Also the type of feedback, which doesn't necessarily have to be exclusively visual, so if you find a better way to describe it or if the developers find it, all the better.
you can hover your mouse over the line to see some features (like the ones above).
If you want more information or want to prepare an order letter (mechanics that I will explain in the appropriate section) you have to go to the menu for these things (at the moment the caravans are located on the "clan" section so at the moment it is there, even the I would also include generic information and the same methods of acting in the party menu).
HOW TO MAKE THE LINE IN PRACTICAL TERMS?
The reference city has a warehouse with goods, depending on its economy,that can empty or falls below a threshold such that the city decides to interrupt the line.
clearly there are the caravans escorted by the guards, who transport the goods.
So we can use wagons for supply lines.
COSTS:
The wagon has its own cost, and the guy who guides it wants to be paid weekly, in addition the wagon must be escorted.
So the general costs are: purchase price, daily cost of the driver, and the soldiers escorting the wagon, which must be taken from your party.
Clearly the costs will affect the convenience in having 1, 2 or more carts or the number of forts / camps / outposts.
The appearance of these wagons on the campaign map must depend on the number of wagons and on the number of soldiers in charge of their defense.
Thus a heavily defended wagon designed to form the support line will be clearly distinguishable from a common wagon for trade.
Clearly player can choose to put fewer defense men to make it look like a trading wagon, but clearly this exposes it to various risks.
HOW MUCH NEED TO TRANSPORT?
These goods reintegrate those in the inventory (food and ammunition).
But clearly travel can not be done to transport the right (which is equal to the consumption of resources between a caravan and the next) and leave half empty wagon, so the player should be given the choice of the amount of goods between discrete values (therefore dimensions of the small / medium / large style wagon or how you prefer to break them down).
So you can choose if you get more than necessary or less than necessary, or at least manage the number of party members to stay on the value you prefer.
The higher the quality of the goods and the quantity, the greater will be the men involved in escorting the caravan.
The amount of excess food involves a boost of morale, even if that food is not present in the inventory.
Also the amount of arrows and darts in excess involves a boost in morale.
If it is smaller, nothing strange happens, it simply consumes part of that inventory.
In this regard, clearly every commodity is exhaustible, as well as arrows and darts.
the caravans travel along the line until they reach the prefix destination (the party, passing from one camp to another).
DESTINATION and ROUTE
-we can choose the destination. the route in automatically setted
we can choose between "our party" by selecting it as a destination from the campaign map, or by selecting something else as a destination (another party or a city)
-we can choose the route,drawing it on the campaign map and passing it between the desired destinations where you can rest and buy food for the caravan itself (which therefore carries what it has to give to us and what it needs)
if the caravan encounters an enemy that cannot be confronted or frightened, then it leaves the route to escape and possibly flees towards the destination.
If it escapes the enemy, it returns to the path that was assigned to it by returning through a second path that was automatically created.
DEPARTURE TIME
Player can choose WHEN the wagons will departure.
PERIODICITY
Does the caravan bring us the supply weekly? or daily? or maybe monthly?
This is to be decided, I would like to leave this choice to the player.
So the player can have several options.
Having the caravan system in bannerlord, it is possible to select the ones we want to act as support lines.
We can therefore set how often we want resources to arrive.
Specifically times go according to this scale:
- X JOURNEIS (if x equals 3, after the 3rd trip the caravan will not travel and will stop where we ordered it to stop)
-PERIODICALLY (as soon as possible) -> (1 load every X days / weeks / months).
Clearly if the caravan making up the line cannot arrive on time, the option will go from (1 load every X days) to (as soon as possible). Once the load has been left it will return to the place where the goods are loaded and the option will return a (1 load every x days / weeks / months).
BEHAVIOUR ORDERS:
An additional option would be to enter non-direct commands.
of the type: if the caravan does not arrive on time at its destination -> (order to be executed):
- "return to the city and re-run the route"
- "continue the journey"
- "go to the nearest camp or to the nearest allied city, then return"
and other orders.
These orders relating to times and behaviors must be given directly to the master caravan, therefore to give them you must "send someone to bring them" if the caravan is not with us.
So all this information (destination, departure time and periodicity, behavior orders, etc.) form an order that is delivered to the master caravan by one of our men sent to deliver it to him.
Clearly, this order only contains the information we have entered there.
So if we only changed the periodicity, there is no trace of the destination, behavior and departure time in the order.
The ability to change the departure times of the wagons means that attacking them while traveling, for the enemy is more difficult because he can not know these times without some features that allow it.
So I think that the change in timing should take time(since the order has yet to be delivered) and money ( since the change of "program" involves a change of organization that costs money), as well as the possibility that this schedule of change of timing is discovered by the enemy.
INTERCEPTION ORDERS AND QUESTS
Assuming that someone has to carry the order, in the form of a mission, if he is caught by enemy explorers, the risk is that the timing change does not happen and that the next load is likely to end up in enemy hands.
-Or a spy can take the place of the messenger
-or the same messenger can betray his faction and deliver a fake order or gave the true order to the enemy.
So you need to choose if entrust one of your companion(and their character is predictable since you know them) with this mission,then depriving yourself of a companion for some time , or gave the mission to a simple messenger (whose reliability you do not know (which depends on the character traits, randomly generated) but which I would also link to the "leadership" and "charm" skill and to the "renown", which can contribute to making even a "dishonest" messenger "be so fascinated by you that you give up being so unhelpful).
All missions that could also be entrusted to us if we are vassals or mercenaries of some lord, or that we could create if we are that lord and we have the runners to do these jobs, if circumstances permit.
so we could be the messenger or the eavesdropper, or the spy on behalf of the enemy.
REST
These caravans are however managed by people and as such they must also go to rest once tired .. they can not always stay awake, or am I wrong?
But we can not make them camp in the middle of the road they travel, as they risk being attacked by bandits or being intercepted by the enemy and have no defense.
let's be clear, they can do it, if there is no safer place to rest in their range.
In support of this line the camps / outposts come into play.
OUTPOSTS/CAMPS:
THEREFORE the support line(his defense) must be built while traveling, practically building small temporary outposts (like camps).
We spend money,time and resources (wood and other stuff).
Maybe these camps can have different levels, so as to change their defenses and adapt them to different situations.
On construction time I can not say, maybe the different levels of camp can affect this variable.
The caravans can rest in these camps and then resume their journey to the next one, up to the destination, so that the goods, during the journey, is defended.
The camp that will hold the stocks will be chosen by the player.
It will also be able to divide them into percentages among the various camps instead of assigning them all to the camp closest to the front and the army (in case it is lost).
Each camp has therefore a warehouse that can be filled up to a certain point.
WARFARE
ATTACK ON A SUPPLY LINE:
IN OPEN FIELD:
the attack on a supply line in the open field, where there are no camps, requires a short time, such as to allow a defense attempt only to nearby armies arriving in time.
The attacker attacks the supply line, which is damaged until it is interrupted or until the defender fails to defend it.
HOW DOES THIS COME?
the attacker with his party goes to the transporter and starts the classic battle.
BUT THERE IS A TIMER as a function of the nearest defensive unit that in the map approaches the cart intended to protect it.
(it is not said that we can see the timer, but there is the same).
once the time has expired, the enemy appears on the battlefield at the point where he "should have come" and clearly the choice of what will happen depends on the player.
He can stay and fight or escape.
Depending on how damaged the goods and killed the guards will depend on the amount of the booty.
The attacker can decide whether or not to damage the goods based on the type of actions he takes.
if he throws a forest of burning arrows on the wagons, he risks burning everything (it will take many arrows, because it does not have to be easy).
He can also do it and then escape from the battle and slip away.
Strategic choices.
IN OUTPOSTS/CAMP:
attacking a supply line in an outposts / camp is different than attacking it in an open field.
It works similarly to a siege, with difficulty level depending on the garrison and the level of defenses.
In addition, the time timer granted before reinforcements from the map is shorter than in the open field.
clearly the goods are protected by a structure, so it is not damaged / obtainable without first conquering the place.
SUPPLY LINES IN RELATION TO RELATIONSHIP/FRIENDSHIP WITH TOWN/CASTEL/VILLAGES AND THEIR OWNER
as the user Terco_Viejo has suggested, the granting of permission to establish the line, or the efficiency of the same, must be linked to the relationship between the PG and the city / village / castle in question.
he also objected to the fact that castles and villages should provide such support, so I thought to make the optional thing through a screen where you decide to which place or TYPE OF PLACE ASK FOR AUTOMATIC support.
so for example you can exclude villages and castles, except someone selected by us
It is clear that the support depends on the type of place, its economy and the relationship.
In this way my proposal binds to his objection without limiting any of the two.
the granting of the line as well as the relations with the places, I think the geopolitical condition must also be linked.
-if we are not part of any faction, then it all depends on how much we and the city of reference are friends, and clearly friendship must be high and the faction will evaluate our relationships with other factions and our social rank before to grant us this support.
-We could also not exclude the fact that the city of reference is so friendly that it gives us support even if the head of the faction is in disagreement, because maybe his relationship with the city is not the best ...
-In short, the conditions for preparing a revolt are within reach, if we are the one who receives the support.
-And if we are the king and someone is acting in that sense, then we must keep our eyes open on the city of reference and on those who make requests to it.
-If you are part of a faction that is at war with another faction and you go to a neutral faction city to buy goods or to establish a support line, then the neutral faction's response should depend on the relationships it has and who wants to establish two warring factions with her.
-Allies help us and allow us to establish support lines.
-Those who want to improve relationships with our enemies will deny us such support.
-The choice should depend on the decisions of the faction (depending on the political system adopted by that faction), but also on the local holder of the city / castle / village, who may decide to help us but taking responsibility for contravening an order from its faction leader ,and should also depends on our charm skills.
So we too could set which cities should / can provide support and to whom to provide it.
This can lead to improved relationships between the 2 factions.
A refusal instead leads to a worsening of relationships.
If a city has few supplies and goods and provides a support line beyond what it can guarantee, this will over time lead to discontent and the relationships between us and the following subjects: (city, city owner, and king if he comes and know ) will get worse.
If the owner continues, he risks being removed for inefficiency or if nobody intervenes the risk is that of having a hungry people who rebels.
If you rebel the support line ceases to be provided.
It is clear that each army will have its support line and it is clear that the city itself may not be able to meet the needs of many armies for a long time.
Assuming that there are 2 lines for 2 different armies and one of them loses its own, the latter can hook to that of his ally of the same faction going into one of the camps built by the latter (clearly consuming resources faster) .
The user "DreamySky" has provided several suggestions that I consider useful and inherent in the context, so I insert them in the thread as part of the same, so as to have a clearer view of everything without obliging you to scroll through the comments.
SHELTER OR OUR BASE
In case you are not part of any faction and you are against someone, then an important role could take place in the "viking conquest" style shelter, evolving in base camp and maybe in castle / city, according to how the developers can decide to exploit it.
In short, an anchorage point to start from, to return to, to improve, to defend and keep an eye on.
The smaller it remains and the less it is followed, the less likely it is discovered.
It works like a mini-city and from there it is established a supply line with the same methods described above.
In this way even those who are not part of a faction can create an infrastructure that supports it but must also be defended or kept hidden.
IF WE ARE POOR
If we have no possessions, nor a shelter, which in effect can evolve to become a city / castle, then it will be the FORAGING ability to limit the consumption of food in the inventory to the constant number of party members reintegrating a part of the missing one.
These are all operations that do not take a long time, but that greatly influence the strategy on the game map, making cities, castles and villages much more important and their economies very important in order to support an army to invade a border territory .
In addition, the importance of a "marching formation" of the armies, which must protect the line or the lines, must also march trying to cover them and defend them from possible assaults on the shoulders or on the sides.
CONCLUSION and REFERENCES
GitiUsir user has provided these 2 videos that help better understand how to make the system.
Last three notes to add:
These 3 points, together with the system described above, also serve to balance the game, reducing the "snowball effect"
1) more bounty hunters are needed to patrol the streets.
2) diplomacy: alliances, truces, claims, casus belli,non-aggression pact , commerce ecc...
3) exhaustion from war.
The third point could be related to the cohesion of an army in being at war for too long.
The morale remains high for longer and the soldiers will tire of following the army less quickly.
I thank you for your attention, I hope you will continue this discussion in order to improve the system suggested here.
If so, when you answer, copy in your reply the parts that you share and then implemented with a spoiler style tab is what you want to change, and your change itself, so that those who want to read your arguments, will immediately to compare the change with the original and evaluate which one is more suitable.
ECONOMIC and LOGISTICS megathrad with poll link
As someone has pointed out, it happens in M & B that entire armies of a faction turn their attention to a small castle of an opposing faction located on the opposite side of the world just because its garrison is with few men, perhaps in relation to some recent evidence which has decreed this condition.
It is clear that a large army or more armies must move along the map and therefore must bring food for humans.
At stake, in a few words, we fill the food inventory and then we start with the attack.
This leads the enemy to defend himself in his territory by coming to us from the front, or, if he can avoid us, to go to our territory to create problems.
But it is difficult to happen because since we started a lot ahead of them, we could have time to do what we have to and get back in time to stop them.
In reality, the armies that march on the front must have a constant supply line of provisions, weapons and more.
So I thought: why not make sure that a LINE OF SUPPLY is established between the point in the map where you are and the last place visited?
HOW THE IDEA IS IMPLEMENTED
(help me to improve it if you like it, in this way, even if in the original game there is not because the times do not allow it, some good soul of a modder, can resume the idea and make the game more strategic even in the campaign map.)
Imagine the game map in which you move the horse with your pg and around you have the towns / villages / castles and in sight you pass the npc or groups of them, which leave their tracks.
in short .. the usual screen!
enter the city and exit.
go on for a few seconds and you will see behind you a trail that connects you to the city you left behind.
That's your supply line!
Now that you have a clearer picture, let's go specifically.
The strength of this line depends on the place you left behind and allows you not to use the food in the inventory or slow down the consumption, which without the line, suffers quite heavily. (Clearly are parameters to be evaluated, I give only the qualitative idea).
It also affects the MORALE OF THE BATTLE and the QUALITY OF TROOPS.
In this way, an attacking army is forced to attack from several fronts to cover a larger area and prevent the enemy from circling the army to hit the supply line and prevent the advance.
On the other hand, the attacker will also hit the enemy supply line to benefit from the advantages.
one steals part or all of the booty.
Specifically, I would tie this result to the type of attack that is performed.
If you damage the places where these resources are stored.
For example, the use of flaming arrows is likely to cause a chariot to fire.
DEEPENING THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUPPLY LINES:
This paragraph takes into account the appearance of the line in the campaign map and a qualitative feedback of the same.
the support line itself is not a real line, but of the caravans of goods that travel, so do not confuse the line itself with its appearance.
The support capacity(goods/ day or goods/week or goods/month and boost of morale) depends on the color of the line and its length, depending on the last place visited and the distance from it.
- Better is the city / castle / village left behind, more towards red is the color of the line, which symbolizes the ability to support.
- the greater the distance from the city that has been left, the longer the line will be and its color will turn towards a colder color.
as with the tracks on mount & blades that turn from red to blue.
A less warm color leads to a less efficient line, due to the difficult management of the supply, given the distance.
We see the line, but not the enemy, at least not seeing the conveyor belt along it (with the spotting ability).
tracking and spotting skills here play a nice role for the enemy.
(EDIT: ON SCOUTING skill and his perk)
the quality of the line increases the likelihood that it will be discovered even if no wagon runs through it if the enemy has enough high tracking ability.
clearly the choice of colors depends on the developers and your feedback. The colors I used are examples.
Also the type of feedback, which doesn't necessarily have to be exclusively visual, so if you find a better way to describe it or if the developers find it, all the better.
you can hover your mouse over the line to see some features (like the ones above).
If you want more information or want to prepare an order letter (mechanics that I will explain in the appropriate section) you have to go to the menu for these things (at the moment the caravans are located on the "clan" section so at the moment it is there, even the I would also include generic information and the same methods of acting in the party menu).
HOW TO MAKE THE LINE IN PRACTICAL TERMS?
The reference city has a warehouse with goods, depending on its economy,that can empty or falls below a threshold such that the city decides to interrupt the line.
clearly there are the caravans escorted by the guards, who transport the goods.
So we can use wagons for supply lines.
COSTS:
The wagon has its own cost, and the guy who guides it wants to be paid weekly, in addition the wagon must be escorted.
So the general costs are: purchase price, daily cost of the driver, and the soldiers escorting the wagon, which must be taken from your party.
Clearly the costs will affect the convenience in having 1, 2 or more carts or the number of forts / camps / outposts.
The appearance of these wagons on the campaign map must depend on the number of wagons and on the number of soldiers in charge of their defense.
Thus a heavily defended wagon designed to form the support line will be clearly distinguishable from a common wagon for trade.
Clearly player can choose to put fewer defense men to make it look like a trading wagon, but clearly this exposes it to various risks.
HOW MUCH NEED TO TRANSPORT?
These goods reintegrate those in the inventory (food and ammunition).
But clearly travel can not be done to transport the right (which is equal to the consumption of resources between a caravan and the next) and leave half empty wagon, so the player should be given the choice of the amount of goods between discrete values (therefore dimensions of the small / medium / large style wagon or how you prefer to break them down).
So you can choose if you get more than necessary or less than necessary, or at least manage the number of party members to stay on the value you prefer.
The higher the quality of the goods and the quantity, the greater will be the men involved in escorting the caravan.
The amount of excess food involves a boost of morale, even if that food is not present in the inventory.
Also the amount of arrows and darts in excess involves a boost in morale.
If it is smaller, nothing strange happens, it simply consumes part of that inventory.
In this regard, clearly every commodity is exhaustible, as well as arrows and darts.
the caravans travel along the line until they reach the prefix destination (the party, passing from one camp to another).
DESTINATION and ROUTE
-we can choose the destination. the route in automatically setted
we can choose between "our party" by selecting it as a destination from the campaign map, or by selecting something else as a destination (another party or a city)
-we can choose the route,drawing it on the campaign map and passing it between the desired destinations where you can rest and buy food for the caravan itself (which therefore carries what it has to give to us and what it needs)
if the caravan encounters an enemy that cannot be confronted or frightened, then it leaves the route to escape and possibly flees towards the destination.
If it escapes the enemy, it returns to the path that was assigned to it by returning through a second path that was automatically created.
DEPARTURE TIME
Player can choose WHEN the wagons will departure.
PERIODICITY
Does the caravan bring us the supply weekly? or daily? or maybe monthly?
This is to be decided, I would like to leave this choice to the player.
So the player can have several options.
Having the caravan system in bannerlord, it is possible to select the ones we want to act as support lines.
We can therefore set how often we want resources to arrive.
Specifically times go according to this scale:
- X JOURNEIS (if x equals 3, after the 3rd trip the caravan will not travel and will stop where we ordered it to stop)
-PERIODICALLY (as soon as possible) -> (1 load every X days / weeks / months).
Clearly if the caravan making up the line cannot arrive on time, the option will go from (1 load every X days) to (as soon as possible). Once the load has been left it will return to the place where the goods are loaded and the option will return a (1 load every x days / weeks / months).
BEHAVIOUR ORDERS:
An additional option would be to enter non-direct commands.
of the type: if the caravan does not arrive on time at its destination -> (order to be executed):
- "return to the city and re-run the route"
- "continue the journey"
- "go to the nearest camp or to the nearest allied city, then return"
and other orders.
These orders relating to times and behaviors must be given directly to the master caravan, therefore to give them you must "send someone to bring them" if the caravan is not with us.
So all this information (destination, departure time and periodicity, behavior orders, etc.) form an order that is delivered to the master caravan by one of our men sent to deliver it to him.
Clearly, this order only contains the information we have entered there.
So if we only changed the periodicity, there is no trace of the destination, behavior and departure time in the order.
The ability to change the departure times of the wagons means that attacking them while traveling, for the enemy is more difficult because he can not know these times without some features that allow it.
So I think that the change in timing should take time(since the order has yet to be delivered) and money ( since the change of "program" involves a change of organization that costs money), as well as the possibility that this schedule of change of timing is discovered by the enemy.
INTERCEPTION ORDERS AND QUESTS
Assuming that someone has to carry the order, in the form of a mission, if he is caught by enemy explorers, the risk is that the timing change does not happen and that the next load is likely to end up in enemy hands.
-Or a spy can take the place of the messenger
-or the same messenger can betray his faction and deliver a fake order or gave the true order to the enemy.
So you need to choose if entrust one of your companion(and their character is predictable since you know them) with this mission,then depriving yourself of a companion for some time , or gave the mission to a simple messenger (whose reliability you do not know (which depends on the character traits, randomly generated) but which I would also link to the "leadership" and "charm" skill and to the "renown", which can contribute to making even a "dishonest" messenger "be so fascinated by you that you give up being so unhelpful).
All missions that could also be entrusted to us if we are vassals or mercenaries of some lord, or that we could create if we are that lord and we have the runners to do these jobs, if circumstances permit.
so we could be the messenger or the eavesdropper, or the spy on behalf of the enemy.
REST
These caravans are however managed by people and as such they must also go to rest once tired .. they can not always stay awake, or am I wrong?
But we can not make them camp in the middle of the road they travel, as they risk being attacked by bandits or being intercepted by the enemy and have no defense.
let's be clear, they can do it, if there is no safer place to rest in their range.
In support of this line the camps / outposts come into play.
OUTPOSTS/CAMPS:
THEREFORE the support line(his defense) must be built while traveling, practically building small temporary outposts (like camps).
We spend money,time and resources (wood and other stuff).
Maybe these camps can have different levels, so as to change their defenses and adapt them to different situations.
On construction time I can not say, maybe the different levels of camp can affect this variable.
The caravans can rest in these camps and then resume their journey to the next one, up to the destination, so that the goods, during the journey, is defended.
The camp that will hold the stocks will be chosen by the player.
It will also be able to divide them into percentages among the various camps instead of assigning them all to the camp closest to the front and the army (in case it is lost).
Each camp has therefore a warehouse that can be filled up to a certain point.
WARFARE
ATTACK ON A SUPPLY LINE:
IN OPEN FIELD:
the attack on a supply line in the open field, where there are no camps, requires a short time, such as to allow a defense attempt only to nearby armies arriving in time.
The attacker attacks the supply line, which is damaged until it is interrupted or until the defender fails to defend it.
HOW DOES THIS COME?
the attacker with his party goes to the transporter and starts the classic battle.
BUT THERE IS A TIMER as a function of the nearest defensive unit that in the map approaches the cart intended to protect it.
(it is not said that we can see the timer, but there is the same).
once the time has expired, the enemy appears on the battlefield at the point where he "should have come" and clearly the choice of what will happen depends on the player.
He can stay and fight or escape.
Depending on how damaged the goods and killed the guards will depend on the amount of the booty.
The attacker can decide whether or not to damage the goods based on the type of actions he takes.
if he throws a forest of burning arrows on the wagons, he risks burning everything (it will take many arrows, because it does not have to be easy).
He can also do it and then escape from the battle and slip away.
Strategic choices.
IN OUTPOSTS/CAMP:
attacking a supply line in an outposts / camp is different than attacking it in an open field.
It works similarly to a siege, with difficulty level depending on the garrison and the level of defenses.
In addition, the time timer granted before reinforcements from the map is shorter than in the open field.
clearly the goods are protected by a structure, so it is not damaged / obtainable without first conquering the place.
SUPPLY LINES IN RELATION TO RELATIONSHIP/FRIENDSHIP WITH TOWN/CASTEL/VILLAGES AND THEIR OWNER
as the user Terco_Viejo has suggested, the granting of permission to establish the line, or the efficiency of the same, must be linked to the relationship between the PG and the city / village / castle in question.
he also objected to the fact that castles and villages should provide such support, so I thought to make the optional thing through a screen where you decide to which place or TYPE OF PLACE ASK FOR AUTOMATIC support.
so for example you can exclude villages and castles, except someone selected by us
It is clear that the support depends on the type of place, its economy and the relationship.
In this way my proposal binds to his objection without limiting any of the two.
the granting of the line as well as the relations with the places, I think the geopolitical condition must also be linked.
-if we are not part of any faction, then it all depends on how much we and the city of reference are friends, and clearly friendship must be high and the faction will evaluate our relationships with other factions and our social rank before to grant us this support.
-We could also not exclude the fact that the city of reference is so friendly that it gives us support even if the head of the faction is in disagreement, because maybe his relationship with the city is not the best ...
-In short, the conditions for preparing a revolt are within reach, if we are the one who receives the support.
-And if we are the king and someone is acting in that sense, then we must keep our eyes open on the city of reference and on those who make requests to it.
-If you are part of a faction that is at war with another faction and you go to a neutral faction city to buy goods or to establish a support line, then the neutral faction's response should depend on the relationships it has and who wants to establish two warring factions with her.
-Allies help us and allow us to establish support lines.
-Those who want to improve relationships with our enemies will deny us such support.
-The choice should depend on the decisions of the faction (depending on the political system adopted by that faction), but also on the local holder of the city / castle / village, who may decide to help us but taking responsibility for contravening an order from its faction leader ,and should also depends on our charm skills.
So we too could set which cities should / can provide support and to whom to provide it.
This can lead to improved relationships between the 2 factions.
A refusal instead leads to a worsening of relationships.
If a city has few supplies and goods and provides a support line beyond what it can guarantee, this will over time lead to discontent and the relationships between us and the following subjects: (city, city owner, and king if he comes and know ) will get worse.
If the owner continues, he risks being removed for inefficiency or if nobody intervenes the risk is that of having a hungry people who rebels.
If you rebel the support line ceases to be provided.
It is clear that each army will have its support line and it is clear that the city itself may not be able to meet the needs of many armies for a long time.
Assuming that there are 2 lines for 2 different armies and one of them loses its own, the latter can hook to that of his ally of the same faction going into one of the camps built by the latter (clearly consuming resources faster) .
The user "DreamySky" has provided several suggestions that I consider useful and inherent in the context, so I insert them in the thread as part of the same, so as to have a clearer view of everything without obliging you to scroll through the comments.
SHELTER OR OUR BASE
In case you are not part of any faction and you are against someone, then an important role could take place in the "viking conquest" style shelter, evolving in base camp and maybe in castle / city, according to how the developers can decide to exploit it.
In short, an anchorage point to start from, to return to, to improve, to defend and keep an eye on.
The smaller it remains and the less it is followed, the less likely it is discovered.
It works like a mini-city and from there it is established a supply line with the same methods described above.
In this way even those who are not part of a faction can create an infrastructure that supports it but must also be defended or kept hidden.
IF WE ARE POOR
If we have no possessions, nor a shelter, which in effect can evolve to become a city / castle, then it will be the FORAGING ability to limit the consumption of food in the inventory to the constant number of party members reintegrating a part of the missing one.
These are all operations that do not take a long time, but that greatly influence the strategy on the game map, making cities, castles and villages much more important and their economies very important in order to support an army to invade a border territory .
In addition, the importance of a "marching formation" of the armies, which must protect the line or the lines, must also march trying to cover them and defend them from possible assaults on the shoulders or on the sides.
CONCLUSION and REFERENCES
GitiUsir user has provided these 2 videos that help better understand how to make the system.
Last three notes to add:
These 3 points, together with the system described above, also serve to balance the game, reducing the "snowball effect"
1) more bounty hunters are needed to patrol the streets.
2) diplomacy: alliances, truces, claims, casus belli,non-aggression pact , commerce ecc...
3) exhaustion from war.
The third point could be related to the cohesion of an army in being at war for too long.
The morale remains high for longer and the soldiers will tire of following the army less quickly.
I thank you for your attention, I hope you will continue this discussion in order to improve the system suggested here.
If so, when you answer, copy in your reply the parts that you share and then implemented with a spoiler style tab is what you want to change, and your change itself, so that those who want to read your arguments, will immediately to compare the change with the original and evaluate which one is more suitable.
ECONOMIC and LOGISTICS megathrad with poll link
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