Bustah said:
KhergitLancer99 said:
One question: Why Mamluk cavalry is 170 points when Vlandian Knight is 190 ?
Because Vlandian knights are better than Mamluk cavalry
If thats indeed the case as you put it like, just as how in warband swadian knights were super soldiers let alone being better than mamluks, then I am going to lose it.
I am not going to give examples of 5th and 7th crusades as people repeatedly underline there were other effects(which war doesnt have anway)
But even the philosophies between these warriors I think give us the hint who must be more powerful.
Knights training varied hugely with the wealth, interests, and reputation of the person in question. Quite a few knights as time passed neglected their martial training in favour of managing estates or various rents. Knights as a caste developed basically from anyone with a horse and the wealth to afford to risk it in battle.
I think some of the western knights were generally quite well trained indeed in the ways of their caste. From the age of 7 to 21. But that training tended towards one on one combat.
Mamluks well they are a whole different story. They were children born to warlike tribes of central asia(later some from caucasus) so they were already in the path even before the enslavement, they would already know how to ride a horse or shoot a bow.
Of course mamluks in pre and post baibars eras were completely different things. Same as the macedonian army pre and post Philip II but M&B tends to take a soldier reference from its golden era.
Slave soldiers who werent allowed to have outside of citadel lifes, making archery and javelin contests for their "free time", out of politics focused only on combat, doctrines being read from ancient times, an excellent track record to show us all of these fancy training werent for nothing.
I mean for me if Mamluks ever had any competition in their age at that point it was probably only Mongols and just some of the not corrupt knights. Maybe ones from crusader orders such as templar order I dont know.
Ofc I opened this topic simply because of this different points deal but it may have a simpler explanation like in medieval times in a Frank army knights were a few
hundred per army whereas Mamluks were a few
thousand per army.