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Note: the following testimony aims to bring awareness to what I believe is a major issue for both the players of the Napoleonic Wars module and for TaleWorlds' reputation and integrity. With Bannerlord being key for attracting new members to this franchise's community, I believe such servers should be swiftly removed from being associated with TaleWorlds' and its software.

Last September, TaleWorlds took action against 'Napoleonic Roleplay' for displaying gross misconduct, admin bigotry and breaching TaleWorlds' Private Server Monetisation Policy along side its other server, 59th Jailbreak. Now over a year on, Napoleonic Roleplay managed to not only escape TW's blacklist, but become even worse than it was last year when it comes to overall server conduct. 

1. Breach of TaleWorld's Private Server Monetisation Policy

Despite being issued a clear warning last year about 'custom skins', Napoleonic Roleplay's owners have continued to sell skins/items for money via their website, Steam, and by other covert means. These skins are no longer just cosmetic however; certain NRP ‘customers’ now sport the body armour of armoured units, paying for an advantage, which they can equip as any unit. This blatant unfairness is no secret and has been protested by many in-game, though such complaints have fallen on deaf ears. Not only is the server selling skins for players to stand out, it is also beginning to show signs of an organised pay-to-win model right on Taleworlds’ servers list.



See the evidence enclosed:

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2. Bigotry, racism and antisemitism (from server staff in particular)

Having played Napoleonic Roleplay regularly for the past year, I have lost count how many times I have witnessed server admins using racial slurs aimed at those of African and Jewish descent. I do not feel the need to specify which two words are used most, but such language has been directed at public players many times. In fact, the server has become somewhat notorious for such behavior.

For the past year I have had to play the server under various pseudonyms, because whenever I use my usual online tag — my unapologetically Jewish last name — I have been targeted by server admins in the form of both verbal abuse and server abuse (slaying, being unwillingly teleported and random temp/perm bans). My playing behaviour did not change; my name did.

Having played online multiplayer video games for the past 10 years now, I cannot remember a single time I have been treated as badly — to the point of being outright targeted — like I have on Napoleonic Wars. I am both disappointed and frankly disgusted by what it being allowed to occur inside a community associated with TaleWorlds.

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« Last Edit: April 10, 2019, 05:53:21 PM by Silverstein »

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Of all the attacks against NRP, this is the strangest.
You have been banned countless times for breaking rules and trolling.

Very much to my disdain, you then used multiple accounts.
Every time you get banned, you adopt a stance of the bullied victim.
Yes, some people on NRP are edgy, but the staff are told to avoid it.


      I guess I don't really speak for NRP or the staff there since I haven't been a
 part of either for months but this seems like a thinly veiled attempt to d
 damage a server that you're angry banned you for getting on like an eejit.
As much as you might like to, I'm afraid shutting it down probably isn't the result that'll come of this.
Just off that you put so much time into it.

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Hello, thank you for your criticism and I'll respond to and go through the facts and misconceptions in your list. The Russell's teapot theory say the burden of proof lies on the accuser. I'm not aware you've contacted the server team to express or question us on beforehand. Interesting choice of action since you state this ain't personal, but your wording tells us otherwise, thus I'm quite certain things won't be accepted as facts even if it's stated in short and concise sentences, but let's try.

1. Breach of TaleWorld's Private Server Monetisation Policy

We've not accepted new skins since the monetisation policy came into place, but we've made a continuous effort to keep past donators skins up to date since they been broken by game updates, and by our server script updates, and we also agree on later changes. The last mentioned exception was the case with Crontz, but you decided to twist the aspect of the skin request thread, as it's stated to be a skin change request. You may pick any skin thread after the monetisation policy came into effect and you'll find no new donators has received skins, but old donators has kept theirs.
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You may also want to read the forum section rules, which clearly states there's no donating for skins anymore.
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We've heard other servers like BBG (BBG_NA_BotSurvival) has scripts for skins and still continue to hand out skins as a donator perk though, as they seem to have gotten permission from TaleWorlds since skins, compared to native, doesn't give certain defence stats. Meanwhile, our server owner stated he doesn't really require the money that we got through past donations, thus any donations done remain with the sole perk of getting a Donator tag on our forums and our discord as those places are not within the terms of the monetisation policy and outside the game content. I wouldn't even involve Jailbreak here since it's irrelevant as they didn't enforce rules against discrimination unlike us, which among other things got them banned.

2. Bigotry, racism and antisemitism (from server staff in particular)

We first-hand appreciate if players tell us if an admin has done something against our rules via our forums and the corresponding forum section, namely, Player/Admin Complaints. What we don't appreciate is someone trying to bring down the whole server for whatever reason. I'd appreciate if you'd provide your GUID in this thread so I can have log checkers read the chat logs and if they contain any discrimination that has occurred to you, as well as reading your chat or seeing if you're an actual player. If TaleWorlds would decide to act on an anonymous source it'll only show that trolls, justifiable banned players, or anyone really can bring down a server by stating blatant lies. Especially if this individual call out for swift action. So I really hope you remain with an objective mindset and cooperate on this point.

We can not always control what players do, and especially not on other platforms, but I do really disagree with your statement that NRP has become even worse than it was last year when it comes to overall server conduct. We've worked hard to get rid of any toxicity that existed when this server was populated and full 24/7. The discord has brought individuals closer to one another and groups of friends has grown and influence everyone. We got active members from all continents welcoming newcomers, introducing them to our highly popular campaign and answering any questions they got about the game. It certainly doesn't mean things don't slip past us, but most individuals overcome their hatred when they realize they've played along a minority which they previously had prejudice against, eg a black, Jewish, homosexual or furry player all along. Chaos is a ladder to become a better person, in my humble opinion.

Here are our current discord rules.
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Our in-game rules: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/officialnrpcommunity/discussions/0/1694919808742169037/
Our forum rules: https://nwrp.eu/topic/14-forum-rules-information/

We are going to follow up on the insult made by waterpolo in-game as we've stated in our rules that admins (and everyone else) should not use racial slurs or be toxic in general. Currently he's implying he never made such a comment so we are going to check up on this weeks of chat logs, which would resolve matters along with your GUIDs if you please. That is, because this could easily been fabricated from another server. We gotta be careful with believing everything on the internet after all. As for the various signs and letters players type out by using the sapper role, it is often punished purely outta wasting build points. Yet again, if an admin has done something as sapper, or another sapper in the proximity it should be followed up. It would've been much more effective if an admin complaint was made as soon as something questionable was done, so we could actually get witnesses, all sides of the story and an excuse made, instead of having to deal with stubborn players wanting to collectively punish the server by collecting parts throughout the years to finally make a case and threads like this.

Best Regards, Ewoksson.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2019, 08:58:01 PM by Ewoksson »
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I have had two tenures as administrator on Napoleonic Roleplay (NRP), one tenure being overlapping with the time when 59th Jailbreak was blacklisted, and another several months after. Having also been a member of the community for a long time, and having various roles of some prominence, I find these accusations to be wholly incorrect and wholly incongruent with my own experience on the server.
I am not representing the Napoleonic Roleplay server or its staff in any official form, having recently broken off from that community, but I do believe my two pence are worth something in this matter.

I'd firstly like to address the monetisation claim. Ever since the blacklisting of JB, it has been strict server policy to not reward skins in return for monetary donations. This has been stated multiple times by senior administration and community staff within NRP. Ever since the incident with Jailbreak, the only way to acquire skins on the server that I know of has been to be a faction leader in one of the server's persistent "campaigns", for which the skin is a reward at the end of the campaign, should the faction leader remain leader until the end of the campaign. Whilst other ways to acquire a custom skin on NRP may exist, this is the only one I've heard of in recent times, and I know for certain that skins are not "sold", or given in return for donations, ever since the JB incident.
The first image shown is a skin request on NRP's website using a very old template. Frankly, I am unsure as to why that template still exists, but as far as my knowledge goes, it is server policy to not give skins in return for donations or payment, and this is often stated both in-game on the server, and on the Discord server

The next claim is of course the accusations of bigotry, racism and antisemitism (from server staff in particular).
Let me, as a former admin, make it explicitly clear: no NRP admin is allowed to say anything racist, bigoted, antisemitic or discriminatory in any function where they are representing the server, such as using the in-game admin chat. This has been strict policy since the JB incident. Aside from this, the current admin team is one filled with people who generally tend not to find such immature, racist humour funny.
This is not to say that racism and such do not appear on the server - they do, and it is the words of public players. NRP does not make effort to sensor the words of public players, though it certainly does not condone the actions and words of racist, bigoted, antisemitic and discriminatory players. It is a very diverse server, serving players of all backgrounds across Europe, North America, the Middle East and I've no doubt that it attracts players from further afield (if they are able to tolerate the ping). It would be incredibly self-defeating for NRP to condone this sort of behaviour at all, let alone encourage it.
For further clarity, let me repeat: server staff do not, and cannot, by server rules, support bigotry, racism or antisemitism. If there have been incidents with this, then were it reported to the server's community or administration management, it would've been dealt with harshly.
For the examples shown of racism, I must say I am quite astounded, and I was not present at the time that these events took place. It does indeed disappoint me that admins have gone directly against server policy, and I would not argue against measures that mean the two admins responsible for that are removed.
With this in mind, it is very difficult to police the actions of all server staff. Had these incidents been reported, I am sure they would have been dealt with.

Furthermore, Napoleonic Roleplay is one of the few servers left on the Napoleonic Wars DLC that can attract a sufficient amount of players, and that still has regular events - it is a very large portion of the backbone of public gaming on the NW DLC. It would be highly disappointing to see the server blacklisted for this, especially once all things are rationally considered. There must have been thousands of players who have passed through NRP over the years, and even since the JB incident. Whilst I regret that the OP has had this experience, I have a great deal of suspicion that he is exaggerating these claims.

Anyway, that is my view on the matter.

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I would just like to say that I have checked the server logs between Polo becoming XA and yesterday and at no point has anyone said "you kike", let a lone an Executive Admin. If you could provide a date for us to check further it would be much appreciated.
As Ewok said, we have a complaints section where these things can be handled internally if reported, so I see this as nothing more than a slanderous attempt to shut down NRP from a well known troll (that polo has banned in the past).

-Chinese (Ex-Executive Admin)

PS. I have all chat logs saved since 16_01_2019 So the idea that polo said "kike" can easily be proven otherwise, meaning that the screenshot is inherently fake and should discredit the whole complaint.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2019, 11:07:46 PM by Chinese_Propaganda »

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I have also been a victim of antisemitism, the admins have embarrassed me several times in game. i hope taleworlds does something about this

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This is a non-issue, you are entirely capable of solving this problem for yourself.
If people hurt your feelings on these particular servers you can do one of two things; stop playing on these servers or suck it up.
No one is forcing you to play on NRP, you actively make that decision repeatedly knowing the kinds of people who also play there. Either accept the fact that people like to be edgy on the internet or stop playing on these servers.

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I have also been a victim of antisemitism, the admins have embarrassed me several times in game. i hope taleworlds does something about this

Please write a complaint on our forums by following the steps of providing your GUID, the name of the accused and screenshots of the incident.
I'd rather say the server has got an issue with antisemites pretending to be semites and breaking rules such as ramboing and teamhitting.
This thread actually occurred after the staff team decided to ban one of those figures who is just as ban-avoiding as those using Betty hacks.

09/02/2019
21:16:59 - Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret is banned temporarily.
21:16:59 - [SERVER]: Rear_Admiral_Wilhelm_II Temporary Banned Player Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret.
21:17:00 - Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret has left the game with ID: 881030
21:17:00 -  <img=ico_headshot> Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret
21:17:37 - Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret has joined the game with ID: 1641730
21:17:55 - [SERVER]: Rear_Admiral_Wilhelm_II Permanently Banned Player Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret.
21:17:55 - Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret is banned permanently by Rear_Admiral_Wilhelm_II.
21:17:56 - Ismael_Yisrael_Amram_Nazaret has left the game with ID: 1641730
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Please write a complaint on our forums by following the steps of providing your GUID, the name of the accused and screenshots of the incident.

what good will that do when the server owners themselves are the antisemites? ive seen them reported and get away with this before

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Please write a complaint on our forums by following the steps of providing your GUID, the name of the accused and screenshots of the incident.

what good will that do when the server owners themselves are the antisemites? ive seen them reported and get away with this before
Do you have proof or do you just assume? because NRP got people with Jewish ascent in the staff team.
Anyway, feel free to give me your GUID so we can check up on chat logs and have a thorough talk to any staff member discovered being mean to you.
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Haven't played on NRP for about a year and I've been banned there multiple times even for being racist. Get a life dude, you're obviously extremely buttmad because NRP has banned you so you're trying to seek revenge by getting their server blacklisted for old and outdated ****.


Sincerely, Muh_Dick the racist 59th JB admin.

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I was playing on the day I (think) some of this post is referring to, and the admins didn't ban one but two players. I don't know which player this is but they both had long Jewish names. One got banned after lighting some TNT which he didn't actually place, and the other one got banned for doing nothing. The other one returned and got banned again. I think this is the player Ewoksson's post is referring to. No rules were broken and the admins made up some false charges in the admin chat. I will stress that no racial slurs were hurled by the admin team on that day but I have seen it in the past.

This is of course server business, and having bad admins isn't something which has to do with TaleWorlds. However I was quite shocked having watched those players play in spectator mode and while one might be misinterpreted, the other one, who returned after being banned quite humorously, did nothing but play normally assisting his team. I and the chat did protest this as it did seem like the ban was given due to his Jewish name. While this alone is not grounds for TW's intervention, I have seen admins use slurs previously, and they have definitely seem to feature custom skins in exchange for donations, which is totally against TW policy. Also when you have members of NRP/JB/59th (or whoever owns what these days), who have a history of these sorts of problems, it's not exactly unexpected to see them downplaying the issue. They're not exactly going to post logs, screenshots, or anything highlighting their policy breaches.

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I am not responsible for the actions of every Jewish player on your server. That said, nothing could warrant the abuse that your admins have directed at such minorities, with your "edgy" jokes and swastikas for all 200 players in spectator mode to see.

It's no secret that antisemitism is prevalent within the server owners. Take this recording of server owner Kaide (who was banned from FSE forums for around two years due to abuse and racism) for example:

I see you have tried to cover up your selling of skins on your website. That does not change the fact you have sold them for a full year. You have restricted the access of property owned by TaleWorlds and then sold access for profit: that's theft.

All there is to do now is await TaleWorlds judgement.

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I was playing on the day I (think) some of this post is referring to, and the admins didn't ban one but two players. I don't know which player this is but they both had long Jewish names. One got banned after lighting some TNT which he didn't actually place, and the other one got banned for doing nothing. The other one returned and got banned again. I think this is the player Ewoksson's post is referring to. No rules were broken and the admins made up some false charges in the admin chat. I will stress that no racial slurs were hurled by the admin team on that day but I have seen it in the past.

This is of course server business, and having bad admins isn't something which has to do with TaleWorlds. However I was quite shocked having watched those players play in spectator mode and while one might be misinterpreted, the other one, who returned after being banned quite humorously, did nothing but play normally assisting his team. I and the chat did protest this as it did seem like the ban was given due to his Jewish name. While this alone is not grounds for TW's intervention, I have seen admins use slurs previously, and they have definitely seem to feature custom skins in exchange for donations, which is totally against TW policy. Also when you have members of NRP/JB/59th (or whoever owns what these days), who have a history of these sorts of problems, it's not exactly unexpected to see them downplaying the issue. They're not exactly going to post logs, screenshots, or anything highlighting their policy breaches.
First comment since 2014? Welcome back.

The chat log part I posted was two months ago. The guy has been avoiding making an unban appeal since then, thus any admin that happens upon him may ban him. He also uses configs allowing him to rapidly change to alt-accounts (see how it went less than a minute before he was back on server), and that should speak loads about his behavior in-game. That being said, he didn't have to behave bad yesterday for it to be justified as a discussion internally had happened and it had been agreed to ban his alts on sight. He is, as many implied before me, probably just mad because we are enforcing our set of rules for everyone, whether they be antisemites or semites.

I appreciate your honesty that you didn't see any racial slurs that day, and yes, we've all seen racial slurs in the past. There's no downplaying that NRP has had a couple of rule changes and bad admins throughout the years as you seem to imply. We have however had strict non-racism rules for admins since a couple years back and the same zero tolerance rules for players since a year or so. We are still in the process of finalizing rules since there's always going to be a clash between freedom of speech and rules surrounding what's discriminatory. Currently we do allow a lot of discussions, unless it's clearly prejudice on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation as well as attacks on other minorities and oppressed social groups.

I've provided the thread with images and selected logs relevant for the discussion, so I cannot really answer the ''downplaying'' argument, yet again I ask for your GUIDs to find relevant material in the chat logs among the thousands lines of messages that has been sent throughout the year. We're not here to prove our own guilt; that's what OP will have to do, but he'll also have to prove his own innocence. We're here to simply explain how things run server-wise and to respond to any factual arguments, whether you personally believe us or not is irrelevant.

I am not responsible for the actions of every Jewish player on your server. That said, nothing could warrant the abuse that your admins have directed at such minorities, with your "edgy" jokes and swastikas for all 200 players in spectator mode to see.
Of course not. Yet I see you generalizing our staff team repeatedly by stating admin in plural as if the whole team is antisemitic when you don't know that for a fact.
Isn't that quite prejudiced or biased on your end? I see one case of swastika, childish sure, but antisemitic? I'm unsure. We've had a internal discussion surrounding this thread in either case and everyone has agreed that we can do a lot to improve. Eg, we'll return to 2014 rules where we will more heavily enforce non-discriminatory in-game aliases and make sure to warn when chat gets heated. I've spent the last hour reading through chat logs from January this year and haven't had a single admin using racial slurs in the admin chat, thus I'd like to know the date that screenshot of waterpolo was taken.

I'm just being constructive here and informing you of the formal ways of making complaints, and that I'm open for reading through the chat logs to find any admins being racist. I will yet again kindly ask you for your GUIDs. We'll always continue the work towards a better environment for the whole community. I don't believe we do everything wrong since we got the largest and most active NW-related discord, and we've historically been a very successful server. So thanks for bringing the subject to attention and we'll make sure to continue our work to make the server more friendly and less toxic. I guess you if anyone would know how it is to belong to a minority. You are always expected to behave in a certain way. I've found that it's easy to change people on the internet by proving their prejudice wrong since they don't know who's behind the screen until you get to know each other. That's why our discord server only got a couple of individuals banned - because most redeem themselves and change their behavior for the better.

It's no secret that antisemitism is prevalent within the server owners. Take this recording of server owner Kaide (who was banned from FSE forums for around two years due to abuse and racism) for example:
Wow, two year old evidence. So Kaide has no chance of redemption ever? I can't speak for another mans issues, but you are still generalizing the whole staff team for a few poor souls wrongdoings. I find it quite interesting how you, like I said in my first post, have collected evidence for so long instead of just bringing it to our attention asap. We aren't a bunch of imbeciles you know. I'm studying to become a social science teacher, we've got a counselor, and people with a lot of STEMs and highly technically educated people in the team, if we ignore the people gifted with plenty of humility.

Sure, you want the server gone and nothing we say or do can change you. That's very unfortunate for the other 99% individuals who actually play and like our server. As two other individuals said in this thread; You could pick another server to play on if you really hate to play on our server. We'd love for you to stay and we'd do everything in our power to make the stay pleasant, but since your mindset is closed and your opinion set in stone, I find it non-constructive and time-wasting to do circle-argumentation infinitely.

I see you have tried to cover up your selling of skins on your website. That does not change the fact you have sold them for a full year. You have restricted the access of property owned by TaleWorlds and then sold access for profit: that's theft.
Let's ignore the BBG fact I stated. All donations are kept on file here and you can publicly view who's the donator and when they donated here: https://nwrp.eu/donate/
Furthermore, we don't owe to publicize any book keeping to you, but if TW would like to get that kind of information they are free to send a DM.
We have further more not restricted access to property owned by TaleWorlds since all content remains in-game, just not customized. We're soon putting off even changes to past donators since we're currently progressing to move over from our current server script to another newer server script which will hopefully solve a lot of issues, give opportunities to implement new admin tools and add more game mode stuff.

Best Regards, Ewoksson.
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I am not responsible for the actions of every Jewish player on your server. That said, nothing could warrant the abuse that your admins have directed at such minorities, with your "edgy" jokes and swastikas for all 200 players in spectator mode to see.

It's no secret that antisemitism is prevalent within the server owners. Take this recording of server owner Kaide (who was banned from FSE forums for around two years due to abuse and racism) for example:

I see you have tried to cover up your selling of skins on your website. That does not change the fact you have sold them for a full year. You have restricted the access of property owned by TaleWorlds and then sold access for profit: that's theft.

All there is to do now is await TaleWorlds judgement.

I'm not sure where u get this racism thing from, From all the times I've played on NRP, The admin team has never once been racist or have singled anyone out. The problem here is your bringing up really old stuff that has been dealt with by Taleworlds. (Kaide no longer does anything for NRP anymore and has not done for quite some time)

I can tell you for a fact that NRP has not sold any skins since the new rule came out and all the skins that have been request are people that donated way before the skin rules came out.