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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2016, 09:31:02 PM »
I think the difference between Tallie and Arni is still huge so comparaison should be made carefully. Despite what Tallie did, which I don't intend to deny, he is still way more involved than Arni is in the community, has been helping in some tournaments as a referee and admin, and there is no major incident coming from him since this NC as far as I know. According to those statements, the decision to keep him banned for two matchs shows that the admins didn't forget what he did, but also that due to several factors that I do presume they perfectly have in minds, the punishement is appropriated to their eyes and not too harsh.

Ps : I don't intend to create any drama discussion either, same as Glorvahlir, so If the admins judge it's better to keep that in PMs, feel free to edit my post, I don't mind.



Sorry also to "swim a bit against the tide" but concerning the logo, I'm probably one of the rare not being a huge fan of it. I've always been used to the WNL/ECS logo that I do consider as masterpiece, and I don't know, this one looks a bit .. soso. Not to say it's bad, but I'd rather prefer having something more in the tone of the last tournaments. But I guess that at this point it comes down to personal preferences.

Nothing against ChatNoir either of course who did the last WNL logo if I remember correctly, and  who has been once again doing an amazing job as a designer, but I guess it can't always win unanimous support.

Excited to start this NC with FRA team, should be a good one.
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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2016, 10:20:20 PM »
I've thought of that as I posted, Tardet. Still doesn't change things  :?

If you aren't getting enough playtime for your nation, play for some other nation, if you think you're about to get caught write an apology post and you're set. You got your playtime in the NC, before next year's tourney do some community work (say as a ref or admin) and you might get a 2 match suspension but it's a new tournament thus a new beginning so no worries :D

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2016, 10:30:03 PM »
Then what are you suggested? What would, in your eyes, be a fitting punishment?

I fully agree that what he did was wrong, and for a long time we (the BeNe captains and co-captains) considered not letting him join BeNe to prove a point.
To show that we obviously don't tolerate cheating. But then again, it is just a game. There is no money, no fame, nothing of any importance except fun and twitter followers to be gained from competing in a tournament. We then decided to allow him to play, and let the admins decide his punishment for this tournament.
In the end we all play this game for fun. What he did was wrong yes, and if he does it again I assume he will be permanantly banned and rightly so. But a two match ban to me seems reasonable for this tournament.
He made a mistake, he is now getting punished for it (since he got caught right before the finals his tournament long band didn't last very long in the previous NC), and after his punishment he gets his second chance. No third chance, just this second chance. Atleast that's my view on it.


I don't like a comparison between Arni and Tallie. I will not go into detail because I don't think it's my place to openly judge on Arni.

But to me, what Tallie did does not compare, doesn't even come close.
The difference obviously lies in a continuation of rule-breaking, and a one time offense. Which is why I think the different punishments make sense.
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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2016, 11:08:01 PM »
What am I suggesting ? Ban, for the whole tournament.

If you aren't getting enough playtime for your nation, play for some other nation, if you think you're about to get caught write an apology post and you're banned. You got your playtime in this NC, in the next year's tourney you won't be able to play at all and ruin others' fun, the tournament after that is your 2nd chance. Also, spread the message to anyone who's thinking of cheating.

It is just a game and for fun.
Now, what about all those players that would love to play in the NC (Dasvi comes to mind), but can't for various reasons.
There's no Rest of the World team, Germany 2, Poland 2, Turkey 2 and so on..
Should they cheat too ? They want to play the game and have fun.
Nothing against Tallie, don't know him, something against cheating.

Last one, no promise. Enough has been said, doubt the admins will do anything about it.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 11:35:01 PM by GlorvalhirSRB »

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2016, 11:17:28 PM »
Last one from me too!

Now, what about all those players that would love to play in the NC (Dasvi comes to mind), but can't for various reasons.
There's no Rest of the World team, Germany 2, Poland 2, Turkey 2 and so on..
Should they cheat too ? They want to play the game and have fun.
Ofcourse they shouldn't cheat, as I said in my previous post I fully agree that what he did is wrong, and obviously cheating in general is wrong.
But you can't use the argument that because other people do not have the opportunity to play in this NC (for whatever reason), Tallie should be punished harder since he had and wasted it.
That's an emotional argument that isn't immediatly relevant to Tallie's case and that I don't think is valid in this discussion.
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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2016, 11:32:56 PM »
Damn it, this is the last one, LeRoux gets one after this, then, end of story !
I can cause I wasn't aiming at the opportunity to play. Tallie played for Georgia cause he 'didn't get enough playtime for BeNe', so anyone else who's not playing and really, really wants to should just join another nation's team, considering the punishment, that's what I was aiming at.

Differing opinions, case closed as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2016, 12:01:05 AM »

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2016, 01:16:57 AM »
I suggest to force Tallie to uninstall the game and never let him play again. Touching NC is touching God guys. It should be punished.

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2016, 01:22:55 AM »
Touching NC is touching God? Are you ok my friend?

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2016, 01:30:56 AM »
I don't speak to pagans. You ******* heretic!

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2016, 08:08:02 AM »
Damn it, this is the last one, LeRoux gets one after this, then, end of story !
I can cause I wasn't aiming at the opportunity to play. Tallie played for Georgia cause he 'didn't get enough playtime for BeNe', so anyone else who's not playing and really, really wants to should just join another nation's team, considering the punishment, that's what I was aiming at.

Differing opinions, case closed as far as I'm concerned.

Ugh, i can't let it to keep silent.

I simply get pissed off by the people who **** on BeNe and their players. Go find yourself another nation to **** on. Let us take care of BeNe and their players. U take care of your team.

Touching NC is touching God? Are you ok my friend?

Stfu Guac! U don't know anything!


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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2016, 08:36:35 AM »
How is he shitting on BeNe?

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2016, 09:09:53 AM »

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2016, 10:33:58 AM »
With the exception of Ceasar I like everyone in BeNe, illegal alliance be damned. Oh also Watly. But I think it's fair to ask questions about a player who knowingly cheated and only owned up when caught...especially one who is an admin for a bunch of tournaments. You better believe if it was a Russian player this wouldn't be forgotten.

Anyway, it's decided so whatever.

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Re: [NC2016] Suggestions
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2016, 11:26:34 AM »
Stfu Lee, all your dreams about grainfields is over now. :iamamoron:

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