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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2015, 01:28:19 PM »
I've seen something like that in several settings, it seems like it would be used from the top of a wall to push back ladders or skewer cllimbers

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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2015, 01:52:58 PM »
This one reminds me of a so called "Sturmsense" (storm scythe) used during the second Turkish siege of Vienna by the defenders:

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Some kind of "crowd-control" weapon?
So it seems.
It proved itself to be very useful to defend breaches in the wall. Following the description on the German Wikipedia the holes in the scythe-like blades are there to fix them with pin bolts to other Sturmsensen to form a whole unit made of those. I can't fully imagine how this would work but it seems that it did. Just push them into the attacking crowd, I guess.
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2015, 02:52:01 PM »


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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2015, 06:56:01 PM »
But really, god bless them. They challenged the limits of the imagination when it comes to building a deadly weapon: whereas European swordsmithing basically honed it down essentially to a single, simple, efficient design, Indian smiths created an explosion of diverse swords and weapons.

The Europeans weren't any different really, it is just that they had absolutely no regard to preservation or tradition so they recycled basically everything, meaning that all we have of the weird stuff are the depictions;

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There is a ton of very weird stuff from the late medieval period, apparently, they even tried to bring scythed chariots back into the game;
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That and they had access to the real Damascus swords, of Wootz steel, and the science behind those things are crazy.

It was indeed magnificent steel but it was limited to the upper class and had major drawbacks that a lot of people tend to ignore.

Its superb hardness made it brittle because, unlike the "regular" swords, it did not have a spine soft enough to allow it to bend on hard impact.
Abu Yūsuf Al-Kindi mentions that the swords must be maintained with delicate care and never see any "winter" because the blade structure weakens and the blade reportedly shatters if used in the cold(for some strange reason).
Also, the dudes at the myarmory site reported several(alleged) incidents of antique wootz steel swords shattering upon being accidentally dropped to the ground.

There is a very good reason why both the Europeans and the Japanese(and everyone else really) kept the spines of their swords soft.

The Romans reported Gauls simply stepping on their swords with their foot to bend them back into shape, sure their swords aren't near the same edge hardness, but they still did the job nearly as well.


They're bound together with goddamn nano-tubes if I'm remembering the science correctly

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About the weird, apparently the pommel was not only used against armored enemies;




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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2015, 07:11:55 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2015, 07:36:52 PM »
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2015, 10:00:06 PM »
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006Natur.444..286R

Source for wootz steel nano structures.
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2015, 10:22:59 PM »
There is a ton of very weird stuff from the late medieval period, apparently, they even tried to bring scythed chariots back into the game;
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Don't forget Leonardo da Vinci's medieval battle tank.

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Which actually would have worked if someone had bought the design. Sure, the tank operators would be deaf after a couple battles, but that's a small price to pay for a GODDAMN MEDIEVAL BATTLE TANK. :fruity: I guess to the military men of the time, a riding armoured machine with guns just sounded too good to be feasible.



They're bound together with goddamn nano-tubes if I'm remembering the science correctly

I seem to vaguely remember something similar going on with (Milanese?) plate armour. The method of smithing and cooling the steel would shock the steel molecules into a crystaline pattern greatly increasing the strength of the material.
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2015, 10:29:26 PM »
It wouldn't have worked. Look at the axles.

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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2015, 10:32:00 PM »
I'm not an engineer, but I recall watching a documentary where they made one and used it. It's not really that special, it's basically an armoured push-cart where the gunners are also pushers.

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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2015, 11:45:14 PM »
With the way he has each hand crank connect to both axles at once, on the inside of both axles with perpendicular gears, if you drove the crank at the top of the diagram forward (relative to the observer) it would compel the wheels on the left to roll to the right, and the wheels on the right to roll to the left. The vehicle wouldn't move but grind itself into the mud.

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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2015, 01:58:12 AM »
Wouldn't it be pretty easy to correct though? Isn't the core design what's important?
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2015, 08:21:44 AM »
There's no core design, it's bucket on wheels. I don't get the hype, dead dinosaurs-powered tanks had initially problems with moving around the field, I much less believe in mobility of this thing.
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2015, 08:27:02 AM »
Oh, I don't doubt that it's a somewhat impractical design, but if someone wanted to create a prototype that could hypothetically move on a (flat) surface, you'd imagine it wouldn't be that big of a challenge.
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Re: Weird Historical Amour and Weapons
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2015, 08:30:50 AM »
There's no core design, it's bucket on wheels. I don't get the hype, dead dinosaurs-powered tanks had initially problems with moving around the field, I much less believe in mobility of this thing.
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