[FaSL] Introduction Thread

Hello nerds. A few of us have an idea of organising a new league in wfas, and we will present you in this thread the project and the current rules we thought of. This league don't claim to be revolutionary or anything, but we are just trying to mix up rules of what have been done around to try to make something as fun as possible for everybody, and that every clans can still play this game, and enjoy playing it.

Rules :





Custom maps : Some new maps will be proposed in the map pools, we don't know yet how many, but there will be a few, the point of having new maps is to give some new to the scene of wfas. More screenshots will follow.


Concerning the custom maps, the maps files will be given to everybody that leaders are able to test them and prepare tactics on them, teams will also be able to borrow the servers to test the map if they don't have an own server.

Expectations for this league : As we all know, wfas competitive scene is really damaged, we're trying to build a new league to try something new and more amusing, but we can't do that without clans, so the minimum clans that we want to further organise this will be 4 clans minimum, even though having 6 would be really great.

If you are interested in joining our league, please make a post in this thread and say from what clan you are. If we gather enough clans, we will create multiple threads to improve the visibility of the league, and to make it more comfortable for everybody, as the thread title say, this is just an introduction.


Here's are links to contact the organisers, feel free to ask any questions.

Ncromancien Ncromancien
Kawaii~ Kawaii~
SpArTAcUS  SpArTAcUS 
Eismann - Eismann 

Cheers.

Also, I'm a slacker in English, so I don't doubt there will be tons of mistakes in this thread, really sorry for that

Reserved for Dolly :
To register your team : http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,338246.0.html

Dolly is such a lovely cow.

In my opinion is a good idea this league. I only want to add something that DP missed. The official language is  "ENGLISH". I'm tired to use google translate on dp forum

This is an international league, as we posted this in english, it should be clear already.

Finally, something new!

It was time to create a better league with better admins. Nice to be one of them and good job Ncro!

Let the Polish League pass first, then think about doing this league.

Rules and stuff seem good though, especially that ft3 system.

WHY NO CRIMEA THOU?

PS: How to register player IDs?

Marth The Gryphonhearted said:

PS: How to register player IDs?

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You can see all players ID's via the "Player Stats" function of the Admin mod. Once we created the roster thread, you can post them there.

Marth The Gryphonhearted said:

Let the Polish League pass first, then think about doing this league.

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Sorry but we won't 6 months for the polish league to end 

Marth The Gryphonhearted said:

WHY NO CRIMEA THOU?

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Find me a way to be able to use them as a balanced faction and we'll be happy to put them in, as it is now, I don't see how to make this faction balanced

Swedish musketeer > Crimean horse archer

Also what if the clan doesn't have a teamspeak? (like Lazarus) How can we register in that case?

Skip that part and add it later on, when you got your TS back.

Marth The Gryphonhearted said:

Also what if the clan doesn't have a teamspeak? (like Lazarus) How can we register in that case?

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It doesn't matter Just add a way to contact you on steam then ^^ It doesn't matter much.

Sign up thread is up, be sure to sign your team there ! http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,338246.0.html

I do not want to turn this thread into a spam of comments so the following post should be read and acknowledged.

I still don't get why shan't Crimea be allowed to play in this league. When was the last time you guys played with Crimean Khanate in clanwars?

The Polish League banned Crimea in early 2012 because of cavspam if I remember correctly, yet they only banned cavspam in early 2013 if I remember correctly. So it's been more than 3 years since Crimean Khanate was last allowed to play in any league.

Let me tell you guys some stories.

The very first time I played Crimea in a clanwar was in 2012 when I was in the Turkish clan named Revenge. We played against some German clan... maybe SKL or De_Rt, I don't remember well. Anyway, they picked Cossack Hetmanate and we played Crimean Khanate on Fields. Both sides did cavspam, yet somehow the Cossack carbineers could easily take the horse archers out. We managed to win some rounds only thanks to our lancers and infantry. In the end, after we won the clanwar, the leader of the enemy clan banned us from their server. Then they came to our server and started spamming and insulting us, and they were harassing us on other servers for weeks.

The second time I played Crimea in a clanwar was in 2012 when I was in The Viper Clan, VIP for short. We oddly played Crimea vs Crimea on Forest Skirt against a German clan named Navy Seals, which is known as "Pro Gaming Community" today. Spartacus of TDA played for us as mercenary in that clanwar omg  . Anyway, we did try cavspam, but all our horchers were taken down by standing enemy archers/musketeers. They won 1 round and then we changed tactic to infantry and lancers. After 4 rounds, the enemy clan's leader Jubeg banned us from their server. Then they came to our server with tags like "****_VIP_InTheAss", started spamming and insulting us, and they were harassing us on other servers for weeks.

The third time I played Crimea in a clanwar was in 2013 when I was in T_A_H. We played against The Avengers. The map was Steppe Farmstead, we played Crimean Khanate vs Kingdom of Sweden with WNL rules (so faction change) and 40% cav limit. We did take as many horse archers as possible, yet they were easily taken out by The Avengers' full musketeer team. We did win 2 rounds thanks to pure luck, we could've won more if Kreus wasn't commanding, but of course he was... Anyway, the leader of The Avengers, Robin, then banned us from their server. Then they came to our server and started spamming and insulting us, and they were harassing us on other servers for weeks. Duh.

The last time I played Crimea in a clanwar was also in 2013, T_A_H vs The Dark Alliance. We played on Steppe Farmstead, Crimean Khanate against Polish Commonwealth with WNL rules and 40% cav limit yet again. No matter the Crimean horse archer spam, the Polish lancers could take all of them out with their long lances, and the enemy infantry and cavalry was obliterated by the Polish pikemen. We did win 2 rounds thanks to pure luck, we could've won more if Kreus wasn't commanding, but of course he was... Now, do I need to say what happened after we won the clanwar?

The moral of the story is: some people are just impossible.

It's worth mentioning that I personally took part in at least 250 clanwars during my Fire and Sword career, of those, I commanded 50. Yet I played Crimea in only 4 of those 250 clanwars. ONLY 4! This is just plain ridiculous.

I guess Crimea got banned from leagues thanks to the cavspam and the obvious overpoweredness of the horse archers. But as OP as those arrows might be, horchers have no defense methods against any sort of firearm or pikes. Crimean lancers are kind of good, but they're worth nothing against pikemen. Crimean infantry is the only thing that can win clanwars for this faction as far as I'm concerned.

I mean look at these league rules. Even if we pick an open map with Crimea, the enemy might as well just spam 7 Swedish musketeers, which can easily take out 3 horse archers from a distance. In my honest opinion I'd rather ban Sweden than disallow Crimea.

This very league is supposed to be innovative. And I'd say, bringing back Crimea into the faction roster would be a pretty cool way to make innovation in WFaS. Especially since now we're stuck with playing the triangle of Poland-Sweden-Cossack in most clanwars.

Maybe do a test match with these rules, Crimea vs any faction. Judgement shall be made after the match results.

Also SPOILER! if any clan possibly takes Trenches with Sweden, they won.

Anyway, I hope you guys enjoyed my story. I'll gladly tell you more if I'm asked to. Kind regards.

First of all. We had Crimea in a Tournament, I remember playing it with Barabe vs TDA (?). Horse archer weren't allowed, wich made it totaly impossible to win a round, since their musketeers aren't that good and the shields won't hold long enough against pikes to actually battle the enemy infantry. If we enable horse archers, it's unbalanced again, because they're just too op.

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Also SPOILER! if any clan possibly takes Trenches with Sweden, they won.

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That's totally bull****. If you had a close look to the rules, FACTIONS WILL STAY AT THE SAME SAPWNS, WHILE TEAMS SWITCH THE SPAWNS.
That means, if you take Trenches with Sweden and your opponent goes for example with Poland: You'll play Sweden on spawn A, and your opponent Poland on spawn B. After the first spawn you'll play Poland on spawn B and your opponent Sweden on spawn A. You can't really "outpick" someone anymore, because the other team will have the same advantages/disadvantages as the other Team, after switching the spawns.

Alright so... I'll ignore all the bashing to the players you made and go straight to the point, do we allow Crim khanate or not.

You said this :
You forgot that there was 1000 gold, and that's why Crim was beatable, we have 1500 gold settings, which makes horse archers way more powerful. I don't say it's impossible to fight against Crim, or take some rounds, but a good team will be able to beat another team with Crim.

We will talk about it with other admins because it's worth giving a thought (which we did), but I really think Crim is simply too good. Also, the problem is, having cav limit on HA (we had 2 HA max when we played TDA in late 2014), and Crim won in total 0 rounds, because without Horse archers, Crim sucks. So I don't know, if we want to allow Crimean Khanate, we need to find a big solution to balance it, but if we can't find a major changing and a way to balance it, Crimean Horse archers will stay on the bench for now 

The last time I played crim was last saison TDA vs Barabe, It was just horrible and I never merced to VIP, Marth.

This league looks interesting and is in my eyes a good idea  I wish you every success with this project.