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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2015, 10:55:07 PM »
Here is the final results of the likes/dislikes test in sandbox mode. Waited 30 days after second dislike and no more appeared.

 1. Caio             L-Egil                d-Beda             d-Dwywei            0-Like, 1-Hate
 2. Egil              L-Brunhild         d-Clovis             d-Morgant          1-Like, 5-Hate
 3. Brunhild       L-Clovis             d-Reginhard     d-Ailchu              3-Like, 2-Hate
 4. Donnchadh   L-Morgant          d-Dwywei          d-Ceawlin           1-Like, 2-Hate
 5. Morgant       L-Donnchadh      d-Solveig           d-Egil                1-Like, 1-Hate
 6. Bodo           L-Asbjorn           d-Helgi               d-Solveig           1-Like, 0-Hate
 7. Dwywei       L-Beda               d-Donnchadh       d-Caio             0-Like, 2-Hate
 8. Reginhard   L-Helgi                d-Brunhild           d-Asbjorn         1-Like, 3-Hate
 9. Clovis         L-Brunhild           d-Egil                  d-Helgi             1-Like, 2-Hate
10. Ceawlin     L-Solvieg             d-Ailchu               d-Donnchadh    0-Like, 2-Hate
11. Solveig      L-Brunhild           d-Reginhard         d-Egil                0-Like, 3-Hate    
12. Asbjorn     L-Bodo                 d-Agathinos         d-Reginhard      1-Like, 2-Hate
13. Helgi         L-Reginhard         d-Egil                  d-Clovis             1-Like, 2-Hate
14. Ailchu        L-Agathinos         d-Ceawlin            d-Brunhild         1-Like, 2-Hate
15. Agathinos   L-Ailchu              d-Asbjorn            d-Beda              2-Like, 1-Hate
16. Beda          L-Agathinos         d-Solveig            d-Egil                1-Like, 2-Hate

It was no problem keeping all companions in my party so  long as I kept morale above 50. After they get have dislike one, like, and dislike with all in the party there is a slow decay in the companions morale towards about 30 points below party morale. (I always picked, the stop fighting response when they complained).

If you send away their like though they will quickly lose morale, so if you send a companion on a 'right to rule' or 'intelligence' mission it would be best to send any companion(s) that likes him/her too.

First dislike comes after each battle. Started with Beda and ended with Caio. Likes then went from Caio to Beda. Short interruption where each day one of the female companions did their 'Woman to Woman' speech. Then each day one companion would give you their second dislike going from Caio to Beda.


Also here is a chart of starting stats in 1.03b

Troop_No   Name             S  A   I   C      1h   2h   Pl   Bw  Xb   Th    Sl    S N I S T D M W A R L R K C P S I W S F E P L T
trp_npc1   Caio              12 18 16   9      90  40   70   60  20    95   90    0 0 2 0 6 2 0 2 5 1 0 0 8 0 4 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
trp_npc2   Egil               16   9 12 18    110  70 105   20    0    95   20    0 0 4 4 3 0 0 6 5 2 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0
trp_npc3   Brunhild          9 16 18 12      70  35   35   40    0    55   50    0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 6 4 3 9 0 0 0 4
trp_npc4   Donnchadh    16 19  9 12     100  75   95   45   50 105   70     0 0 4 3 5 2 0 4 5 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc5   Morgant        14 14 14 13     100  75   75   45   50 110   90    0 0 6 2 4 0 2 6 5 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc6   Bodo             16 15 12 12    100 100 100 100 100 100  100    0 0 2 6 6 0 0 3 5 0 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc7   Dwywei           7 16 16 16      85  35   35   55   60   90   50     0 0 1 0 2 2 0 2 5 4 0 0 4 0 7 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
trp_npc8   Reginhard      18 16 10 11      90  35   65   45    0   80   40     0 0 8 2 4 4 0 2 4 0 0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 4
trp_npc9   Clovis            19 18   9   9    115  75 115   40    0 110   90     0 0 4 4 2 0 0 4 4 4 0 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0
trp_npc10  Ceawlin        16 15 12 12     110  75 110   40    0 110   50     0 0 8 3 2 0 5 7 4 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0
trp_npc11  Solveig         16 15 12 12    110  85  100   40    0 100   50     0 0 7 4 2 0 0 5 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 0
trp_npc12  Asbjorn        10 10 19 16      60  25   35   35     0   60   50     0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 8 8 8 0 0 2 0
trp_npc13  Helgi            14 12 15 13    100  75   75   45     0 100   50     4 7 4 2 2 0 0 4 5 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc14  Ailchu          16 15 10 14    110  55    75   45     0   90   50    0 0 4 4 4 0 0 4 5 6 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 4 0
trp_npc15  Agathinos     10 14 19 12     60  25    35   35     0   60   70    0 0 0 0 2 0 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 6 0 8
trp_npc16  Beda            12 13 17 13     60  25    35   40     0   60   55    0 0 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 7 0 8 0 0
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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2015, 02:14:40 AM »
As to Camp Conversations have only had two so far in sandbox. Not enough to know what and how they come about. it seems though they affect your relations with the companion only. Not sure the affect positive or negative relations has either, but from the storyline I imagine it would have an affect on whether they stay or leave when their morale gets low? With the ability to 'buy; relations

My thoughts are it should be possible to keep all the companions by keeping morale above 50. And, if you have good relations with them and high persuasion even if they said they were leaving you could talk them into staying.

Have not played enough in sandbox to know for sure. But, no one had left my sandbox games yet, and I have all the companions in them.

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2015, 09:41:57 PM »
Thank you for the charts. Using them i managed to build stable party of 12 companions using simple logical elimination of the most unhappy party members. 200 in-game days - no one has left

Here's chart if someone is interested.

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2015, 11:49:21 PM »
In the General Release of 1.04 there have been some major changes to the Attributes of Companions, here is what they are now:

Troop_No   Name          S    A    I    C      1h  2h  Pl  Bw  Xb  Th  Sl         S N I S T D M W A R L R K C P S I W S F E P L T
trp_npc1   Caio             10  16  12    7     90   40   70   60   20  95  90    0 0 2 0 6 2 0 2 5 1 0 0 8 0 4 6 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
trp_npc2   Egil              16   7    6   16    110  70 105   20    0   95  20    0 0 4 4 3 0 0 6 5 2 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0
trp_npc3   Brunhild         6   9   18  12     70   35   35   40    0   55  50    0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 2 6 4 3 9 0 0 0 4
trp_npc4   Donnchadh     8   19   8  10    100  75   95   45   50 105  70    0 0 4 3 5 2 0 4 5 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc5   Morgant       14   14  10   8     100  75   75   45   50 110  90    0 0 6 2 4 0 2 6 5 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc6   Bodo            12  10  12   11    100 100 100 100 100 100 100   0 0 2 6 6 0 0 3 5 0 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc7   Dwywei         7   10  14   14     85   35   35   55  60   90  50    0 0 1 0 2 2 0 2 5 4 0 0 4 0 7 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
trp_npc8   Reginhard    18   15   6     6     90   35   65   45    0   80  40    0 0 8 2 4 4 0 2 4 0 0 0 2 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 4
trp_npc9   Clovis          19   10   9     9    115  75 115   40    0  110  90    0 0 4 4 2 0 0 4 4 4 0 5 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0
trp_npc10  Ceawlin       11   17  10    7    110  75 110   40    0  110  50    0 0 8 3 2 0 5 7 4 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0
trp_npc11  Solveig         9     9  11   16    110  85 100   40    0  100  50    0 0 7 4 2 0 0 5 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 0
trp_npc12  Asbjorn        8     8  19   10     60   25   35   35    0    60  50    0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 8 8 8 0 0 2 0
trp_npc13  Helgi          11     6  14   14    100  75   75   45    0  100  50    4 7 4 2 2 0 0 4 5 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
trp_npc14  Ailchu         15   13   8    9      110  55   75   45    0    90  50    0 0 4 4 4 0 0 4 5 6 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 4 0
trp_npc15  Agathinos     6     6  19  14      60  25   35   35    0    60  70    0 0 0 0 2 0 4 0 4 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 6 0 8
trp_npc16  Beda          10   10  17    8      60  25   35   40    0    60  55    0 0 4 0 0 0 0 1 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 5 7 0 8 0 0


Weapon proficiencies and skill did not change.


Locks you in to developing in the line of their largest attribute, since you are only going to get an attribute point every 5 levels. Figure you are only going to get about '4' more attribute points to fill them out through level 25.
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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2015, 10:36:11 PM »
In case someone else looks at this thread:

Relation Matrix is inside the Presentations Pack for a ingame view (RED means dislike and in the party right now)



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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2015, 06:30:55 PM »
Is there a way to disable this "feature" once and for all? I have been playing M&B for thousands of hours but never ever in any version or mod managed to handle this companion system at all. After completing the storyline, they keep bugging me every ten minutes, i already considered to reload or even restart the whole game and not finish the main quest as this was disabled before you finish sven.  :?:

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2015, 08:17:22 PM »
Is there a way to disable this "feature" once and for all? I have been playing M&B for thousands of hours but never ever in any version or mod managed to handle this companion system at all. After completing the storyline, they keep bugging me every ten minutes, i already considered to reload or even restart the whole game and not finish the main quest as this was disabled before you finish sven.  :?:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,323613.msg7708802.html#msg7708802
This worked fine for me in 1.03, could give it a try.

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2015, 07:34:18 PM »
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,323613.msg7708802.html#msg7708802
This worked fine for me in 1.03, could give it a try.

Thank you, that worked well, I played a couple of hours without any harrasment  :D

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2015, 02:22:43 AM »
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Kalarhan, how get this ingame?
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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2015, 02:31:47 AM »
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Kalarhan, how get this ingame?

it is part of a mod pack for 1.04, so not compatible with VC RE
instructions here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,328368.0.html

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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2015, 02:47:49 AM »
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it is part of a mod pack for 1.04, so not compatible with VC RE
instructions here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,328368.0.html

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2015, 06:37:54 PM »
[ THIS INFORMATION IS OUT OF DATE FOR GAMES STARTED post game version 2.005 ]

Hi,

I had previously only played the storyline through but I've found new interest in VC with  the reforged open beta and yesterday I decided to have a look at the sandbox mode.
Naturally I wanted to have stable party listings aswell for VC so today I had a look at the forum and found this thread.

I just took Ivan Khan's relationship matrix (great work! - hopefully I didn't add any typos) and fed it to my old program (which had produced the Brytenwalda stable party listings).
There is of course no guarantee that the morale system works the same as in bw, but here is the output anyway (terminology and methods as in my old Brytenwalda thread (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,183844.0.html) ):

Strictly stable parties with 8 members:

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Strictly stable parties with 7 members:
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Stable parties with 9 members:
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Stable parties with 8 members:
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Many thanks to Ivan Khan for his work!

Disclaimer: the results depend on the correctness of the source relationship matrix and the used assumptions about the morale system. I accept no responsibility for any possible errors due to erroneous source information or for any reason whatsoever. This was done purely for fun so use at your own risk.
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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2015, 12:55:16 PM »
The charts look good. Is there also a list of which companions are nobles or not? I just found out the hard way that Bodo isn't a noble even though it sounded like from dialogue that he was (granted, he never explicitly said he was).

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2015, 03:25:21 AM »
Hi,

I had previously only played the storyline through but I've found new interest in VC with  the reforged open beta and yesterday I decided to have a look at the sandbox mode.
Naturally I wanted to have stable party listings aswell for VC so today I had a look at the forum and found this thread.

I just took Ivan Khan's relationship matrix (great work! - hopefully I didn't add any typos) and fed it to my old program (which had produced the Brytenwalda stable party listings).
There is of course no guarantee that the morale system works the same as in bw, but here is the output anyway (terminology and methods as in my old Brytenwalda thread (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,183844.0.html) ):

Strictly stable parties with 8 members:

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Strictly stable parties with 7 members:
(click to show/hide)



Stable parties with 9 members:
(click to show/hide)


Stable parties with 8 members:
(click to show/hide)

Many thanks to Ivan Khan for his work!

Disclaimer: the results depend on the correctness of the source relationship matrix and the used assumptions about the morale system. I accept no responsibility for any possible errors due to erroneous source information or for any reason whatsoever. This was done purely for fun so use at your own risk.

I'm pretty sure you missed Solveig: she is nowhere in your list.

That topic is very important with reforged

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2015, 05:36:12 AM »
I know Solveig and Beda don't like each other, if that helps.