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Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« on: January 18, 2015, 08:18:31 PM »
Will an experienced player put together a list like down here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=183844.0
I have a found a few threads as posted by Idbil here:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,320214.msg7606390.html#msg7606390
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,323787.0.html

The comparison in the above link is with Native while Lohisoturi listed the Brytenwalda characaters.
What is the mapping of Brytenwalda NPC's to VC in terms of character types and likes/dislikes.

I could make a graphic, but I don't know how Lohi-soturi did his calculations
            

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2015, 08:23:33 PM »
Well, if somebody get something final, we can add here:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,323183.0.html

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2015, 08:44:35 PM »
Will an experienced player put together a list like down here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=183844.0
I have a found a few threads as posted by Idbil here:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,320214.msg7606390.html#msg7606390
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,323787.0.html

The comparison in the above link is with Native while Lohisoturi listed the Brytenwalda characaters.
What is the mapping of Brytenwalda NPC's to VC in terms of character types and likes/dislikes.

I could make a graphic, but I don't know how Lohi-soturi did his calculations


Well for morale it seems to follow the Native system, with the companions renamed, chart is in one of the links.  We also have 'camp conversations' which affect companion relations. It seems pretty clear hat the affect of this is in the storyline, as the choices and actions change. Have not played enough in sandbox to figure out what relations means in the party. From what little I have seen it seems to have a barring on whether the companion stays or leaves once they bring it up to you. this is also affected by persuasion. It seems more complicated than native or any native mod. So far though with high persuasion, attempting to keep morale high and trying to balance the companion conflicts I have managed to keep them all in my party through day  200+. had three attempts to leave when morale sunk, but all three opted to stay.

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2015, 11:41:04 PM »
If it is the same as native I have a spreadsheet full of party combinations, I will see what I can do with that :).

Edit: It's not the same as Native like the other thread suggests :(.

Name      Like         Dislike
Agathinos      Ailchu      Asbjorn, Beda
Ailchu      Agathinos      Brunhild, Ceawlin
Asbjorn      Bodo         Agathinos, Reginhard
Beda         Dwywei*      Agathinos, Egil, Solvieg
Bodo         Asbjorn      Helgi, Solveig
Brunhild      Clovis      Ailchu, Reginhard
Caio         Egil*         Beda, Dwywei
Ceawlin      Solvieg      Ailchu, Donnchadh
Clovis      Brunhild      Egil, Helgi, Reginhard*
Donnchadh   Morgant      Ceawlin, Dwywei
Dwywei      Beda         Caio, Donnchadh, Reginhard*
Egil         Caio*      Clovis, Helgi*, Morgant
Helgi         Reginhard      Bodo*, Clovis, Egil
Morgant      Donnchadh   Egil, Solvieg
Reginhard      Helgi         Asbjorn, Brunhild, Clovis*, Dwywei*, Solvieg*
Solveig      Brunhild      Egil, Reginhard

Name_N       Like_N      Dislike_N
Agathinos      Ailchu      Asbjorn, Beda
Ailchu      Agathinos      Brundild, Ceawlin
Asbjorn      Bodo         Agathinos, Reginhard
Beda         Dwywei      Caio, Agathinos
Bodo         Asbjorn      Helgi, Solveig
Brunhild      Clovis      Ailchu, Reginhard
Caio         Egil         Beda, Dwywei
Ceawlin      Solvieg      Ailchu, Donnchadh
Clovis      Brunhild      Egil, Helgi
Donnchadh   Morgant      Ceawlin, Dwywei
Dwywei      Beda         Donnchadh, Caio
Egil         Caio         Clovis, Morgant
Helgi         Reginhard      Bodo, Clovis
Morgant      Donnchadh   Egil, Solvieg
Reginhard      Helgi         Asbjorn, Brunhild
Solveig      Ceawlin      Bodo, Morgant

Which are clearly not the same, especially Solveig.

*= unconfirmed...

The largest almost stable party I've made is...

Agathinos Dislike Party (11) (-1)
Name      Like         Dislike
Agathinos      Ailchu      Asbjorn, Beda
Ailchu      Agathinos      Brunhild
Asbjorn      Bodo         Agathinos
Bodo         Asbjorn      Solveig
Brunhild      Clovis      Ailchu
Clovis      Brunhild   
Donnchadh   Morgant      Dwywei
Dwywei      Beda         Donnchadh
Morgant      Donnchadh   Solveig
Solveig      Brunhild   
Beda         Dwywei      Solvieg

Only Agathinos has two dislikes so you only have to monitor his morale and use priests or whatever to keep him happy, or kill loads of bandits. If you don't like that drop Beda and Dwywei, and perhaps take Caio instead if you have managed to find him.

But I've left Caio out of it because I've never found him in sandbox mode.

Edit2: Should be 100% stable if I'm not missing anything, only Clovis & Solveig has a like surplus.
Caio Party (10) (0)
Name      Like         Dislike
Agathinos      Ailchu      Asbjorn
Ailchu      Agathinos      Brunhild
Asbjorn      Bodo         Agathinos
Bodo         Asbjorn      Solveig
Brunhild      Clovis      Ailchu
Caio      
Clovis      Brunhild   
Donnchadh   Morgant      Dwywei
Morgant      Donnchadh   Solveig
Solveig      Brunhild   

« Last Edit: January 19, 2015, 11:59:03 PM by edwardecl »

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 09:33:40 PM »
If it is the same as native I have a spreadsheet full of party combinations, I will see what I can do with that :).

Edit: It's not the same as Native like the other thread suggests :(.

Only Agathinos has two dislikes so you only have to monitor his morale and use priests or whatever to keep him happy, or kill loads of bandits. If you don't like that drop Beda and Dwywei, and perhaps take Caio instead if you have managed to find him.

But I've left Caio out of it because I've never found him in sandbox mode.


I have confirmed the following in sandbox mode. Can't get them to give me their second dislike yet. Definite different than the normal native chart, though most follow it.

 1. Caio        L-Egil       d-Beda   d-Dwywei    
 2. Egil        L-Brunhild    d-Clovis     d-Morgant
 3. Brunhild      L-Clovis    d-Reginhard    d-Ailchu
 4. Donnchadh        L-Morgant    d-Dwywei    d-Ceawlin
 5. Morgant        L-Donnchadh    d-Solveig    d-Egil
 6. Bodo        L-Asbjorn    d-Helgi    d-Solveig
 7. Dwywei        L-Beda       d-Donnchadh    d-Caio
 8. Reginhard        L-Helgi    d-Brunhild    d-Asbjorn
 9. Clovis 0       L-Brunhild    d-Egil    d-Helgi
10. Ceawlin      L-Solvieg    d-Ailchu    d-Donnchadh
11. Solveig      L-Brunhild    d-Reginhard
12. Asbjorn      L-Bodo       d-Agathinos
13. Helgi 0        L-Reginhard    d-Egil
14. Ailchu    L-Agathinos 2   d-Ceawlin
15. Agathinos    L-Ailchu    d-Asbjorn
16. Beda 0        L-Agathinos    d-Solveig

Also have had no problem with morale so far.


EDIT: Updated a few of their second dislikes. Just in case you wanted to know they complain about their first dislike first from Beda to Caio. then they tell you their likes in same order. If you qualify then each day you will get one 'woman to woman' speech. Then, every day you get one more complaint from Caio to Beda.


EDIT2: A few more confirmed. No problems keeping them in party yet. though after second dislike they slowly lose morale down to about 20 below your party


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« Last Edit: January 20, 2015, 03:49:47 AM by Ivan Khan »

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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 10:47:05 PM »
Yeah found him confirmed that he don't like beda and dwywei and dwywei don't like him.

Funny thing is I have never got a conversation from Beda to say he likes Dwywei, I have confirmed everything on my list apart from the ones with * which I have got from other sources that might be wrong, wrote down every time a conversation came up on paper but I did miss a few at the start that might have been mostly Reginhard, but I only failed to note down 2 or 3 of the conversations. I have double checked my list to make sure and updated my other post.

Also my game has messed up and none of my companions that leave ever go back to mead halls, and the traveler don't have any conversation apart from "Never mind".

Silly game :).
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 11:35:39 PM »
Solveig... She turned up in a storyline conversation for me despite never having met her and not being in my party! Where's she actually at?

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2015, 01:17:28 AM »
Solveig... She turned up in a storyline conversation for me despite never having met her and not being in my party! Where's she actually at?


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Re: Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2015, 01:29:15 AM »
Solveig... She turned up in a storyline conversation for me despite never having met her and not being in my party! Where's she actually at?


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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2015, 02:28:24 AM »
Ah, I remember now.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2015, 03:59:49 AM »
Solveig... She turned up in a storyline conversation for me despite never having met her and not being in my party! Where's she actually at?


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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2015, 12:52:58 PM »
I've not even played the story mode because I know it was going to be bugged, but wow, play testers anyone?

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2015, 01:01:06 PM »
I've not even played the story mode because I know it was going to be bugged, but wow, play testers anyone?

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