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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7905 on: March 10, 2016, 11:13:19 PM »
What do you mean "just because". An entity was attacked by another entity. Why should it not fight back?

It's like telling a zebra to just let the lion kill it because hey listen, you're just an arbitrary cluster of atoms anyway, so what's the big deal. Meanwhile the lion doesn't give a **** about your post-modern pacifism and nihilism and eats you too.
The Czech skull is impervious to reason, but it is susceptible to blows.

The American dream is that anything can happen to anyone. It's just totally random.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7906 on: March 11, 2016, 12:16:23 AM »
You're joking right?
A country isn't an entity and even if one would make that comparison, you probably shouldn't do it with a lion and a zebra.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7907 on: March 11, 2016, 12:17:28 AM »
Certainly some states have more of a right to exist than others.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7908 on: March 11, 2016, 12:42:55 AM »
You're joking right?
A country isn't an entity and even if one would make that comparison, you probably shouldn't do it with a lion and a zebra.
Not even a little. 

Ok, fine, two lions or lion and a cheetah or a lion and a rhino, who cares. Point is an organism that is not willing to defend itself will perish and be replaced by another organism with more will to live and/or will to power.

Countries and nations may not be organisms in the strict biological sense, but they are certainly a thing, just like a bee hive is a thing or an ant colony is a thing.
The Czech skull is impervious to reason, but it is susceptible to blows.

The American dream is that anything can happen to anyone. It's just totally random.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7909 on: March 11, 2016, 12:52:39 AM »
That last page  :facepalm:
 

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7910 on: March 11, 2016, 01:13:49 AM »
In a war of defense I think there is definitely merit to joining your nation's defense. Not that it makes you weak not to jump to your country's defense, but occupied populace are almost always treated like ****, and to do nothing about invasion is to roll over and accept that treatment.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7911 on: March 11, 2016, 09:54:27 AM »
Honestly though, I don't think volunteering to fight in a war should be a merit in today's society.  :?
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Honestly though, I don't think volunteering to fight in a war should be a merit in today's society.  :?
The decline of the West in one sentence.
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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7912 on: March 12, 2016, 07:29:43 AM »
Honestly though, I don't think volunteering to fight in a war should be a merit in today's society.  :?
If mankind are to be under a government, they ought not be under a **** one just because the assholes were stronger.
**** absurdists, nihilists, post modernists.

The same kind of people as those who call our volunteer soldiers, welfare queens, praising the welfare system in the same sentence.
PROTECTIN YOUR MOTHAFUCKIN FREEDOM TO SAY SUCH BULLSHIT.

Human beings lose damn near everything of value when they are ruled by men who view them like bugs or pawns.
Yes we are a chance conglomeration of molecules. Yes we're just a lucky anomaly. But we are here. We have dirt, we have children, and we have a **** universe to explore. Stop complaining about how meaningless it is and live like you do have meaning, damnit, or go remove yourself from the gene pool.

Men from centuries and millenia afar have created what freedoms in the world we have today, allowing such ideas as pacifism to even exist.
And they fought. They bled for a humanity that will someday stop dragging itself through the mud of poverty and violence and corruption.
Maybe one day we'll have evolved enough not to require an evil such as the state.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7913 on: March 12, 2016, 12:12:14 PM »
Your posts contain just enough coherency to keep me reading until the end, just to wonder what exactly you were trying to say in the first place.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7914 on: March 12, 2016, 12:17:16 PM »
Muh freedums...
Essentially.
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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7915 on: March 12, 2016, 12:27:41 PM »
I'm just a bit confused as to which part was a reply to what I wrote.

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7916 on: March 12, 2016, 12:39:23 PM »
The last paragraph...?

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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7917 on: March 13, 2016, 08:48:27 AM »
Yeah that was only half related to what he wrote.
Muh Freedums

Alright I'll try to be a little less of "writing near midnight after a 10 hour workshift" kind of poster here, even though that's the case again.

So, volunteering to fight in a war, should not be a merit in today's society.
This is a bit vague honestly.

But let's expand this to what I think you meant.
I took this to mean:
"Volunteering, that is, not being drafted/conscripted, to join your nation's armed forces(Whose government and institutions I assume you support, or at least find less repulsive than the enemy fought) to fight other state or non-state organizations, for the sake of the defense of one's land/property, people, and way of government, is not an act which should be called meritorious."

Aside from this there is the fact of many military personnel who joined up voluntarily who do not fight, but who do such excellent things as EOD, Para-Rescue, and Humanitarian Relief/Disaster Response. But they probably aren't the people you're talking about.

You're talking about the grunts. Those men who go and kill because their government said so.
Now I ask what you take issue to. Certain individual conflicts that these men take part in, or the concept of a fighting man who thinks its in the best interest of his nation to go to war?
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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7918 on: March 13, 2016, 09:17:02 AM »
I am actually curious to hear more about "today's society" and how it is so different from yesterday's society.
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Re: Ukraine Today
« Reply #7919 on: March 13, 2016, 11:22:04 AM »
I am actually curious to hear more about "today's society" and how it is so different from yesterday's society.
Somewhat depends on where you are, but i would argue that blurred concepts of identity are a major difference. Am i french/german/belgian/british or european? Am i european, american, russian or part of a larger international society? Which of these matters most to me? While you will likely still find a majority that supports and identifies with the nation state, it would not be unrealistic to speak of a relative descend of relevance (in the western world, though arguably the islamic world is going through a similar process for different reasons).