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Tallie

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2013, 10:58:40 PM »
In my opinion it should be replayed. I've already told it to Folms, but he didn't see or read it. I really hope it will be replayed cause it was unfair towards Tobende Deutsche. Also playing at 11 PM is an impossible time to play, come on man!
The problem is that I'm just a co-Mod, but if I was Folms, I would've let them replayed it, cause it's just bullshit playing 2v5 or 3v5.

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2013, 11:03:27 PM »
Are you still trying to make up the rules?

I'm trying to make up the rules? Ehm, sorry? Elaborate.

The match time was agreed. Whether by mutual consent of team captains or, in this case, admin intervention.

Do I need to explain you the difference between "forced" and "agreed"? Admin intervention doesn't mean that I agree on the match time, otherwise the administrator would not need to intervene and we would have agreed on that time like everybody else. Agreed means that both captains actually discuss when to play, and then agree on a time that is suitable for both teams.
 
I can assure you that we also only had 15 minutes to gather a team. You claim it was unfair but both teams had the same amount of time to gather players.

It's sort of sweet to see how you are trying to make it look like both teams were in the same situation. First of all, I can't judge if you really got forced to play, since the admin that made the decision is part of your team. Let's say you got forced. You had 5 players available, whilst I had only 4. The point you're trying to make is that you had the same time as my team. But, in the end, it ain't difficult to join the correct server within 15 minutes, whilst it is quite difficult to find a 5th player at 11pm without any notice beforehand. I cannot believe you fail to see this point.

I would sympathise more with you had we not been forced to play under the same circumstances or had you tried harder to schedule normally.

Regarding this point, I was in contact with Folms several times last week, but we never got to agree on an actual date, since both team were busy preparing for the IG vs AE Match in the ECS (you, Folms and Corey playing for IG and the majority of my team playing for AE). I just guess you aren't even aware of the whole situation.

You come back to the final deadline again, but our match was a semi final and the deadline was the 11th. Add three days to the deadline of the final and we'd end up playing the final at Christmas - the worst time to arrange matches.

I also fail to see how Christmas comes in, the fixtures for the finals got posted like 5 minutes after our match was over, 22/12/13 as deadline. We played the match on the 12th of December at 11pm, and again as I said, we could have also played it tomorrow, the 15th of December, without causing trouble for the Finals which is why I complain.

You also make the assumption that we will be able to field a full team on any day after the deadline - it's easy to make those assumptions.

I'm quite sure you would have been able to field a team of 5 players on a weekend for a match that lasts less than an hour, otherwise you shouldn't sign up for a tournament. Even if not, and we would played the match within the deadline, I'm quite sure the RUM Team wouldn't have agreed on that date.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2013, 11:09:15 PM by ~Scar »

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2013, 11:04:50 PM »
gg, 2:2 with a 5v2 xDDD
They had 4 up until the last round where they left after being killed, the screenshot was taken at the end. Obviously.

Sarcasm. Obviously.  :lol: Well, on the other hand..
*Where da hell did I put my fukin facepalm picture...*

Seriously, I vote for replay - seeing that Scar asked me to come suddenly when I wasn't even online because it was damn late and there wasn't any match scheduled I don't think those circumstances were fair, but I might not be that well informed. As far as I understand the match happened a bit overhasty. I'm looking forward to the next decision!
« Last Edit: December 14, 2013, 11:10:17 PM by Noxtravibur »
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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2013, 12:35:53 AM »
How about leaving the decision to Tallie and Rene? It's really hard for you to make the decision Folms, or people to not think that your decision is biased.

 but Bauglir, you're a sickeningly pitiful player with a toxic personality, I feel sorry for Sota who's put in the awkward position of playing you.

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2013, 12:36:40 AM »
Admin
The initial deadline was the 8th of December, the deadline of the extension was the 11th of December, On Thursday the 12th of December I approached Scar asking him to play the match straight away.

Team Member
Throughout the initial deadline and the extension deadline, Scar and I spoke on numerous occasion to get the match scheduled. However, due to ECS and the matches that both sets of players were heavily involved in we were unable to come to a mutual agreement. During the talks with Scar I acted not as an admin but as a team leader considering the fact that our leader was currently unavailable. I was just filling in for him. On Thursday, Scar told me he had four players online, and one being away. We also had to gather a team in exactly the same amount of time as them.
He asked me to wait for 10 minutes for them to get the fifth player. Considering the fact that The British team was on the server for a while; it was my fault, as a leader not an admin, to inform them that Scar wasn't ready. I told my team that Scar was gathering players, until it reached a point where the majority of players in the UK team didn't want to continue waiting. But their fifth player didn't show up until a second map.

Admin
Based on the fact that both deadlines were passed my duties as an admin were to ensure that this tournament runs as smoothly as possible. Regardless, of any teams, friends or motives I decided to "force" the match being played. It was a coincidence that the UK team managed to get 5 players and a German team unfortunately only managed to get 4 (even if the German team had 5 and the UK team had 4 the match would have still been played). Both teams had to deal with the same circumstances - one of them was unlucky. The rules state that the team must gather five players for the allocated time. Due to the passing of all deadlines I allocated the time, because I am an admin and I have the rights to do so. Not because I am a member of the UK team and I want us to win. The situation makes me look biased, but in all respect I wasn't. Unfortunately, I could not consult my fellow admins because through-out the tournament I have not seen a sign of them. I hosted this tournament alone. However, that is an issue to be discussed privately. I am just elaborating on this in my own defense.

Admin
The final outcome remains the same. Match will not be replayed. Main reason for this being that this way the tournament will drag itself on and on. At this rate this tournament won't be over this year. Deadlines were provided, both teams failed to agree on a date. Hence, played on a given date with a result. As a player, I would have been gutted too. Would have argued the same way, asking for fairness. But these are the decisions one has to make in order to remain as objective as possible.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2013, 12:58:02 AM by Folms »

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2013, 12:51:17 AM »
Why didn't you force them to play tuesday? Which was the deadline of the match. Besides playing the match sunday, or some day of next week, wouldn't affect the finals at all, since you moved (?) the deadline to next sunday.

 but Bauglir, you're a sickeningly pitiful player with a toxic personality, I feel sorry for Sota who's put in the awkward position of playing you.

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2013, 12:57:22 AM »
Why didn't you force them to play tuesday? Which was the deadline of the match.
Deadline was on Wednesday. And as I said:
However, due to ECS and the matches that both sets of players were heavily involved in we were unable to come to a mutual agreement.

Besides playing the match sunday, or some day of next week, wouldn't affect the finals at all, since you moved (?) the deadline to next sunday.
When did I move the deadline to Sunday? and of course it would. it would delay the tournament. Sunday would not even be possible due to ECS...
« Last Edit: December 15, 2013, 01:00:19 AM by Folms »

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2013, 01:37:16 AM »
Hmm my mistake about the deadline then. Don't know if you moved the deadline but I thought i read someone saying so earlier, anyway. The deadline of the finals is next sunday, which means you could play any day of the next week except sunday basicly, you could properly arrange the match so both teams would have full team and the fight would be fair.

 but Bauglir, you're a sickeningly pitiful player with a toxic personality, I feel sorry for Sota who's put in the awkward position of playing you.

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2013, 07:38:48 AM »
Dats the problem with Admins who are part of a participating team..
We can't say whether the circumstances were fair or not.

I'm still fan of the replay thingy seeing that both teams want real semifinals (I guess thats what meant by the very mean  :evil: comment in one of the screens).  :lol:
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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2013, 08:48:18 AM »
can actually do a replay?

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2013, 10:09:57 AM »
It's not the same situation for both teams. If you decide to force a match at that time, it would have been your fault if your team would not have had enough players. You could and should have looked that up beforehand. Scar couldn't. Ofc, 11pm is a stupid time to play, sorry.

If you really feel that you acted unfair towards Scar - as you wrote - act consistently with what you wrote. Saying to have been unfair and taking the blame, but then in stark contrast cementing the result is exactly what a participating moderator should NOT do.

It's better to stretch or even pass a deadline, or let a tournament go on for one more week, then to render the whole tournament absurd by such actions and decisions, sorry.
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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2013, 11:16:18 AM »
Ofc, 11pm is a stupid time to play, sorry.

Russians are forced to play 23:00 every winter stfu

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2013, 11:22:20 AM »
Ofc, 11pm is a stupid time to play, sorry.

Russians are forced to play 23:00 every winter stfu

 :lol:

With 15 min to get a team up?   :|
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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2013, 01:55:39 PM »
Thanks for the valid input, Sota, much appreciated.

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Re: [Na5aSide] Semi Finals - Deadline 11/12/13
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2013, 03:32:52 PM »
Russians are forced to play 23:00 every winter stfu

 :lol:
We're not talking about Russian teams, so wth does that comment has to do with this?