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Matches of which size do you prefer in a competitive environment (such as the ENL or the Nations Cup)?

5 vs 5
2 (1.8%)
6 vs 6
5 (4.5%)
7 vs 7
0 (0%)
8 vs 8
28 (25.5%)
9 vs 9
1 (0.9%)
10 vs 10
52 (47.3%)
11 vs 11
0 (0%)
12 vs 12
7 (6.4%)
13 vs 13
0 (0%)
14 vs 14
0 (0%)
15 vs 15
2 (1.8%)
16 vs 16
0 (0%)
17 vs 17
0 (0%)
18 vs 18
2 (1.8%)
19 vs 19
0 (0%)
20 vs 20
5 (4.5%)
I don't care
6 (5.5%)

Total Members Voted: 107

Voting closed: August 12, 2012, 03:13:24 PM

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Robis

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2012, 07:41:31 PM »
I would have voted 12 v 12, but i knew it was pointless. So, 10v10 could be a good middle ground. This game is funnier when played with more people

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2012, 08:27:37 PM »
Voted 10vs10.

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 09:05:55 PM »
There was never a legitimate reason to change from 10vs10 in the first place.

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2012, 09:52:13 PM »
Voted: I don't care. I think that poll is useless, every clan who participates here should have one vote. One idea, only leaders of clans could vote in special thread writing posts like "IG votes for 10vs10" (just an example) so we can get the real desire of the majority clans, without unnecessarily long theorizing and stuff :roll:, there is no possibly manipulation with voices, I think this is best.

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2012, 10:39:39 PM »
There was never a legitimate reason to change from 10vs10 in the first place.

Indeed. In the wintern cycle there weren't problems with 10v10 but anyway it changed to 8v8.

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2012, 08:00:57 AM »
There was never a legitimate reason to change from 10vs10 in the first place.

That's not really an helpful argument. Just pointless.

One reason:

Einherjar for example can join the Competition again.

You say there are no reasons for the change from 10vs.10 to 8vs.8. I think it's one of the best reasons that more clans/teams can participate with 8vs.8.

So what are legitimate reasons for changing it back to 10vs.10?
8vs.8 worked very well IMO

Btw: before the last ENl cycle I was against 8vs.8, but now I'm convinced that it is better.



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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2012, 09:11:25 AM »
If I'm not wrong, Tura said me that when Einherjar had a match everytime they had 12/13 players who could play, so i think 10v10 wasn't a problem for them. Also, i didn't see lots of new clans in this ENL cycle, at the end most of the new clans who joined the cycle at the begin left after one or two match even it was 8v8.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2012, 09:18:40 AM by Duken96 »

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2012, 09:27:23 AM »
The only reason Einherjar re-entered the ENL was because the match size was lowered

But okay, it seems now einherjar could play 10vs. 10.

But bring some arguments why lust should change it back. You just say 10vs.10 is better...what is better?

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2012, 09:44:58 AM »
I think 10v10 is better because with more players you can use more tactics and those tactics can be more flexible, and if you lose a player in 8v8 is a bigger problem than in 10v10, so clans tend to camp to wait flags. That's what i saw during this cycle. If you want to play 8v8 because each player is more important than 10v10 or more, why you don't want 5v5?
« Last Edit: July 30, 2012, 09:50:49 AM by Duken96 »

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2012, 10:05:31 AM »
Also, i didn't see lots of new clans in this ENL cycle, at the end most of the new clans who joined the cycle at the begin left after one or two match even it was 8v8.

AE's obviously an example of a clan which joined the ENL this cycle. Can't really be bothered to look up all the clans in it, but I'm fairly sure we weren't the only new clan there (especially in Division C).

Equally, it's not just a matter of new clans being able to form and join the ENL, but also a matter of retaining clans which were already participating.

I think 10v10 is better because with more players you can use more tactics and those tactics can be more flexible, and if you lose a player in 8v8 is a bigger problem than in 10v10, so clans tend to camp to wait flags. That's what i saw during this cycle. If you want to play 8v8 because each player is more important than 10v10 or more, why you don't want 5v5?

I don't really see how you can use more tactics with 10 v.s. 10. Possibly there are a few tactics which would be more viable given the two more players, but then I guess there are others which are less viable.

In my experience (which is obviously just as flawed as 'evidence' as yours or anyone else's), 8 v.s. 8 tends to encourage more aggressive tactics since both teams are less capable of making sure every strategic position is covered. Obviously for you most matches seem to be more defensive/campy. Possibly however that's more a facet of the types of tactics your clan tends to use rather than necessarily anything to do with player numbers.

The last part's kinda ridiculous: if you want to play 10 v.s. 10 because there are more tactics, why don't you play a 100 v.s. 100 shield-wall roleplay battle?
« Last Edit: July 30, 2012, 07:14:36 PM by Alex_C »

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2012, 10:23:51 AM »
The last part's kinda ridiculous: if you want to play 10 v.s. 10 because there are more tactics, why don't you play a 100 v.s. 100 shield-wall roleplay battle?

I don't want to play 10v10 only because there are more tactics, but because with two more players there are also more interesting fights and i think teamplay is more useful and harder than when there are less players. With 20v20 or something like that it's more chaotic, and for some closed maps like nord town or port assault i think it's too much. However i can't say lots of things about 12v12 or more because i never played it.

Also if you prefer 8v8 because with that more clans are able to join ENL, we can have 8v8 in Division C, and 10v10 in div A and B
« Last Edit: July 30, 2012, 10:32:11 AM by Duken96 »

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2012, 11:11:11 AM »
As alex said it, it's not only for new clans. Also older clans lose some player or some are inactiv, because a lot playing warband for years, and sometimes it can be a little bit boring.

Also I don't see why team play is more important in 10vs.10.

You must have a good team play and communication in 8vs.8 because you can have a huge disadvantage when you lose one or two players in a stupid solo action.

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2012, 11:53:09 AM »
I voted 6 vs 6 but I wanted to vote 8 vs 8.
I would also support a much larger number, like 18.
But 10 or 12 no thanks.


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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2012, 01:37:42 PM »
Two votes for 20 vs 20 :lol:

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Re: Totally important and utterly decisive poll about team-sizes
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2012, 02:48:40 PM »
Are people realy considering a 'mini-ENL', 5v5 tournament?