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xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:
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xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:
I didn't say Russia was weak....I said the alliance between the two isn't strong, if they even have an alliance anymore. During the North Korean missile attacks, Russia did nothing on either side, which implies that they aren't as good as friends with North Korea as everyone thinks....
Anyways, in 100 years (22nd Century) relations change anyways. I don't think it would be wise to end up doing the classic "NATO vs Russia and Allies". It is, after all, 100 years into the future. In which the US might not exist in the path that we are going now ^^
But the modder will do as he pleases, of course.
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Nord Champion said:xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:
I didn't say Russia was weak....I said the alliance between the two isn't strong, if they even have an alliance anymore. During the North Korean missile attacks, Russia did nothing on either side, which implies that they aren't as good as friends with North Korea as everyone thinks....
Anyways, in 100 years (22nd Century) relations change anyways. I don't think it would be wise to end up doing the classic "NATO vs Russia and Allies". It is, after all, 100 years into the future. In which the US might not exist in the path that we are going now ^^
But the modder will do as he pleases, of course.
there wont be "in a 100 years" we all die next year
and in my humble opinion to have the large number of factions warring against each other, i think Russia & Allies vs the World gives the best possibilities towards that. but like you said, its all in the modders pref.
xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:there wont be "in a 100 years" we all die next year
Ah! Very true!
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xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:
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totally acceptable hahaha i understand why you were angry, im just American and some of the Cold War mistrust still is present in our society
xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:
I don't think Russia is a strong ally with North Korea.
This is taken from Wikipedia, which is not that reliable sometimes.
After the North Korean nuclear test on 25 May 2009, North Korea's relations with China and Russia were taken to a different level. Russia, fearing that North Korea's success could lead to a nuclear war, joined China, France, Japan, South Korea, United Kingdom, and the United States in starting a resolution that could include new sanctions. The Russian news agencies were outraged when North Korea even threatened to attack neighboring South Korea after it joined a U.S. led plan to check vessels suspected of carrying equipment for weapons of mass destruction. Another concern was that the nuclear test can be a threat to the security of Russia's far east regions which border North Korea. South Korean president Lee Myung-bak had a phone conversation with Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, where Medvedev advised him that Russia will work with Seoul on a new U.N. Security Council resolution and to revive international talks on the North Korean nuclear issue.
Also from Wikipedia.
On May 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a presidential decree prohibiting Russian state and government agencies, industrial, commercial, financial and transport companies, and enterprises, firms and banks from exporting or transiting military hardware, equipment, materials, or know-how which could be used in North Korea's nuclear or non-nuclear weapons programs.
From what I can tell, Russia is not supporting North Korea as much as it used to back when Russia was the USSR.
As for the mod, I don't think it should be the classic communist vs democracy showdown.
Or, you can just not make any alliances at all. You could make some new diplomatic features. This way ever player will have his/her own unique WW3 experience. Each game would be different. Diplomacy would have to be an important part of the game though. Maybe you can make a feature that allows the player to choose each factions alliances and who they are at war with at the beginning of the game, so they can make WW3 happen how they think it would happen.
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xDiGiTaL_FeaR- said:there wont be "in a 100 years" we all die next year
You have a point, and I may change this a bit.
To make it more realistic, it will be a war that breaks out in 2021.
Now we can plan using current day events. Lol
As for my preference, well, I try to incorporate the ideas of the players. I don't like making the decisions about lots of stuff (normally big stuff, like factions and equipment) without feedback, because a mod isn't about the modder, but about the people playing the mod.
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Some Ideas:
It won't make sense to do the standard M&B style of starting game. The player's character has to start in one of the factions, or start your own Private Military Corporation with no option of joining a faction. (You can get hired but not join.)
If you are going to include special forces, don't make them easily accessible. Normal troops shouldn't upgrade to SFs. The SFs, should either be just the NPCs (maybe faction specific NPCs), or they can be ultra high tier troops that can only be acquired
by being friends with a commander/lord. They should have high engineer, path-finding and tracking skills. On a similar note, engineer skill should be called sabotage. They should be most useful in out of battle roles. Highly expensive to maintain. They should
NOT be overpowered.
Sieges will need A LOT of work. Mostly because, the "ever seeing AI". Also most modern cities have no walls. Several military bases might, others mostly have chained link fences/barbed wire. You will need to work on a "stealth" system for sneaking up
on to an enemy encampment (and then only at night). Then you can adapted the WFaS method of a "Wagon Fort", for making a fortified field position.
You will need to figure out a way to do the navy and air forces. Those are HIGHLY relied on, in modern warfare. For transportation, fire support, and so on.
Vehicles also are very important. Most infantry battalions have dedicated APCs, and other vehicles. There are the occasional "Light Infantry" Battalions. They have no vehicles, and like to refer themselves as "ninjas".
I can go on if you like.
It won't make sense to do the standard M&B style of starting game. The player's character has to start in one of the factions, or start your own Private Military Corporation with no option of joining a faction. (You can get hired but not join.)
If you are going to include special forces, don't make them easily accessible. Normal troops shouldn't upgrade to SFs. The SFs, should either be just the NPCs (maybe faction specific NPCs), or they can be ultra high tier troops that can only be acquired
by being friends with a commander/lord. They should have high engineer, path-finding and tracking skills. On a similar note, engineer skill should be called sabotage. They should be most useful in out of battle roles. Highly expensive to maintain. They should
NOT be overpowered.
Sieges will need A LOT of work. Mostly because, the "ever seeing AI". Also most modern cities have no walls. Several military bases might, others mostly have chained link fences/barbed wire. You will need to work on a "stealth" system for sneaking up
on to an enemy encampment (and then only at night). Then you can adapted the WFaS method of a "Wagon Fort", for making a fortified field position.
You will need to figure out a way to do the navy and air forces. Those are HIGHLY relied on, in modern warfare. For transportation, fire support, and so on.
Vehicles also are very important. Most infantry battalions have dedicated APCs, and other vehicles. There are the occasional "Light Infantry" Battalions. They have no vehicles, and like to refer themselves as "ninjas".
I can go on if you like.
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Please do continue!
I'm working on creating scripts to allow air strikes and such, but it is a near impossible code. D:
The Special Forces aren't overpowered as is, in the real world.
Navy will be as simple as adding sea battles with modern ships to fight on top of.
Sieges may end up being changed (on the game menus) from "Build a ladder" or "Build a Siege Tower" to "Prepare to Storm the City"
And then of course, there would be no scene with a siege tower, instead it would be the common "Defenders Sally out to meet you" scene replaced with new sceneprops and spawn points (allowing defenders to spawn from a city, which would still have garrisoned troops), and would have it set where you could either do a Silent Attack or a Swift, but obvious attack. Scripting AI movements for that.
I can most likely remove the bandit startup, or I can change it. As for starting near a city, well, I can try to set it to where you will either join a faction or start off in a country, next to a capital city. Sort of like what the original MB had.
I'm open to suggestions and even more open to help. This mod is intended to make it to at least a mature release, and be one of the most insane mods ever created.
I'm working on creating scripts to allow air strikes and such, but it is a near impossible code. D:
The Special Forces aren't overpowered as is, in the real world.
Navy will be as simple as adding sea battles with modern ships to fight on top of.
Sieges may end up being changed (on the game menus) from "Build a ladder" or "Build a Siege Tower" to "Prepare to Storm the City"
And then of course, there would be no scene with a siege tower, instead it would be the common "Defenders Sally out to meet you" scene replaced with new sceneprops and spawn points (allowing defenders to spawn from a city, which would still have garrisoned troops), and would have it set where you could either do a Silent Attack or a Swift, but obvious attack. Scripting AI movements for that.
I can most likely remove the bandit startup, or I can change it. As for starting near a city, well, I can try to set it to where you will either join a faction or start off in a country, next to a capital city. Sort of like what the original MB had.
I'm open to suggestions and even more open to help. This mod is intended to make it to at least a mature release, and be one of the most insane mods ever created.
Specialist
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That's what I thought, but I didn't get much when I PM'ed Mr.Master about the codes.
I could easily modify the scripts/codes for artillery to make a flying object, tank, or maybe even a battleship that actually shoots, but he couldn't send me the codes for it. Lol
I could easily modify the scripts/codes for artillery to make a flying object, tank, or maybe even a battleship that actually shoots, but he couldn't send me the codes for it. Lol
QuailLover
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One thing that bugs me occasionally with most mods, is the fact, that you can have an army of Lts. I recommend, that when a soldier ranks up it should be similar to WFaS. IE: United States - Private (Green) ranks up to United States - Private (Experienced)
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QuailLover said:
Something I was already considering.
It wouldn't be too unrealistic if I allowed tier changes (smaller ones, like from Private to the next tier up), but for the most part, soldiers don't just upgrade to Lieutenants, Generals, and Commanders with enough experience.
QuailLover
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Pvt. to PFC. to SPC to Corporal to SGT and finally SSG should be the max for the enlisted men.
Then it would be nice, to have a code, that limits the amount of SGT and SSGs a player could have. (1 per 10 soldiers)
Then it would be nice, to have a code, that limits the amount of SGT and SSGs a player could have. (1 per 10 soldiers)
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There is one. I'll be adding it to this module ASAP.
Then you may be able to train high tier troops to a limit.
Then you may be able to train high tier troops to a limit.
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QuailLover said:
i like that. i like the idea of having a set number of higher tier units. also for like "cavalry option" you could upgrade to tanks? or apc's something along that line
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Good stuff.
As long as you have at least two troop tree lines (enlisted, and officers) for each faction it should be good. Unless you want faction specific NPCs officers.
EDIT: Well I think APCs, MBTs, BLOS, NLOS vehicles should be bought, and not upgraded. (Maybe the green to experienced way).
EDIT V.2: Also I suggest replacing books with other various military hardware. IE: UAVs could add a +1 or +2 to spotting.
As long as you have at least two troop tree lines (enlisted, and officers) for each faction it should be good. Unless you want faction specific NPCs officers.
EDIT: Well I think APCs, MBTs, BLOS, NLOS vehicles should be bought, and not upgraded. (Maybe the green to experienced way).
EDIT V.2: Also I suggest replacing books with other various military hardware. IE: UAVs could add a +1 or +2 to spotting.
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