!!DRAMA!! - 22nd VS DFD - Trolling, Impersonation and Defamation.

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Disclaimer: I hold no ill will to the DFD clan as a whole. However I have no tolerance for actions such as these and as this is the only experience I have had of DFD to date I feel under no obligation to do this in any other way. This information was handed to me by trusted people, server admins, forum moderators and the like and meticulously searched over by me. In my mind there is no doubt of the legitimacy of this information. My apologies to legitimate and honest DFD members, but in the interest of justice and responsibility I am making this public. Of course I am also be somewhat personally vested in this as you will see.


Today I was surprised to learn a few things about the DFD clan. Mainly regarding how they (an uncertain quantity) are trolls, rude and offensive but not under their own names. Instead they like to take the good names of others and try to drive them into the dirt. This particular example revolved around a player known by most as DFD_Peter, however another player known as
DFD_Madara is also implicated quite heavily. Further more there is other evidence and comments that at least implicate other DFD members. Suggesting that perhaps this issue is
not as limited as one might hope and that it could be well spread through the DFD clan. You know what they say, when you see one rat there will be 10 more hiding in the filth
that you have not noticed.

This list is a compilation of evidence that I have had the pleasure of sorting through. I have provided what you might call "highlights" but will also present the full server
log at the end to any who wish to look further.


Maynd, a moderator on the league forum:

Maynd: 22nd_King_Plazek 104596
Maynd: Tintin 151177
Plazek: these are his friends?
Maynd: yes
Maynd: cross reference on XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Maynd: DFD Peter and Madara
Plazek: interesting
Plazek: dont supose you have any damning evidence such as screenshots of that peter guy ? :grin:
Maynd: only the KR guys have the logs from yesterday
Plazek: was peter the one who stole my name like jocke did
Maynd: yes
Plazek: ok
Plazek: thanks for the info
Plazek: seems questionable behaviour for a fellow A division ENL member
Plazek: :/
Maynd: it is, i was thiniking it was jocke, he was theres earlier
Maynd: but this behavouir from clan members its even worrst
Plazek: indeed
Maynd: well they will learn their lesson


Gotha, an admin on the KR server:

KR_Gm_Gotha: 02:14:04 - 22nd_King_Plazek has joined the game with ID: 104596
KR_Gm_Gotha: 01:57:26 - Capitaine_Haddock has joined the game with ID: 104596
KR_Gm_Gotha: 00:43:42 - DFD_Peter has joined the game with ID: 104596

His server log, select quotations:


02:24:00 - 22nd_King_Plazek has joined the game with ID: 104596

02:16:33 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] Im your king 
02:16:37 - *DEAD* [Locrus] anan zaaa KoR
02:16:37 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] Ok guys ?
02:16:40 - *DEAD* [RDB_Seigneur_Hector] kill him at the bigining
02:16:42 - *DEAD* [The_Imam_ShooterEmmi] where are yo from
02:16:44 - *DEAD* [DfD_Angelofkevin_Fr] ok boss
02:16:46 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] I **** your wifes 
02:16:51 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] I eat your food
02:16:54 - *DEAD* [RDB_Seigneur_Hector] mhh
02:16:57 - *DEAD* [DfD_Angelofkevin_Fr] ok  faty
02:16:57 - *DEAD* [Tassadar] ...
02:16:57 - *DEAD* [Hriktus] **** servers
02:17:00 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] I am GOD


(matching screenshot)
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THIS PROVES THE LEGITIMACY OF THESE ACCUSATIONS UNLESS YOU WISH TO ARGUE THAT BOTH THIS SCREENSHOT AND THE CORRESPONDING PARTS OF THE SERVER LOG ARE ALL FORGED, HIGHLY UNLIKELY.



02:17:40 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] MAybe when you was young your father **** you ?

02:18:14 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] My team is the best man
02:18:22 - [Pfc_Katt_KoR] i see
02:18:22 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] So respect me ....



WHO THE HELL IS THIS GUY AND WHY WOULD HE TALK TO ME?
I HAVE IT UNDER GOOD AUTHORITY THAT "Tintin" IS AN ALIAS FOR DFD_MADARA

01:32:24 - Tintin has joined the game with ID: 151177

02:18:34 - *DEAD* [Tintin] Can I suck you king ?
02:18:38 - Pfc_Katt_KoR <img=ico_swordone> DFD_Ice
02:18:42 - [22nd_King_Plazek] Yes you can :wink:

02:38:09 - *DEAD* [Tintin] PLAZEK YOUOUH


02:27:36 - [22nd_King_Plazek] Cause we areNoob rdb

****02:29:06 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] I **** everybody here
02:29:06 - [RDB_Seigneur_Hector] -_-
02:29:09 - [Donatello] ahue
02:29:17 - Tintin <img=ico_axetwo> Guz_Illume_of_Sarrdak
02:29:19 - Donatello <img=ico_swordone> 22nd_King_Plazek
02:29:23 - Tintin <img=ico_axetwo> Donatello
02:29:24 - *DEAD* [Donatello] noob
02:29:25 - *DEAD* [Donatello] i **** you
02:29:28 - Tintin <img=ico_axetwo> Maynd_Emir_of_Sarrdak
****02:29:36 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] No you are just a lucker *****
02:29:36 - Tintin <img=ico_spear> Tassadar
02:29:39 - *DEAD* [Donatello] roflrofl
02:29:40 - Tintin <img=ico_spear> sHocK Emir of Sarrdak
****02:29:41 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] Suck my **** now
02:29:44 - *DEAD* [Donatello] i'll show you again
02:29:48 - Tintin <img=ico_spear> DfD_Angelofkevin_Fr
02:29:51 - *DEAD* [Donatello] stop trying to fakenick
02:29:52 - *DEAD* [Donatello] noob
02:29:56 - RDB_Seigneur_Hector <img=ico_spear> Tintin
****02:30:11 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] You said im noob son of a pig ?


Here is some French stuff translated by my resident Belgian:
(Disclaimer: I took German not French at school and sucked at both, this simple French is beyond me)

Plazek: 02:25:44 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] Je parle un petit votre langue de merde
Plazek: 02:26:01 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] les français sont des tete de bitte
Plazek: 02:26:26 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] Tu es un clown petite merd
Gabe: you told them that?
Plazek: 02:26:50 - *DEAD* [22nd_King_Plazek] Mon équipe encule les rdb et les dfd
Gabe: first sentence means i only just talk a little of your language of **** literally translated
Gabe: second means the french are **** heads
Plazek: if i said it
Plazek: would i need you to translate :razz:
Gabe: third is your a clown you ****
Gabe: and my team ****s the rdb and dfd





PRIOR TO THIS COMMENT IN THE LOGS "22nd_King_Plazek" DID NOT SAY GOODBYE OR IMPLICATE IN ANY WAY THAT HE WAS LEAVING THE SERVER. I HAVE TO ASK WHY DID THIS PERSON SAY GOOD BYE

WHEN UNLESS THEY WERE SHARING A TEAMSPEAK SERVER OR EQUIVALENT THIS PERSON WOULD HAVE HAD NO IDEA THAT "Plazek" WAS LEAVING THE SERVER.

THIS SUGGESTS A DEEPER MORE WORRYING DFD IMPLICATION THAN JUST PETER AND MADARA

02:51:06 - [DfD_Angelofkevin_Fr] bye king; plazek
02:51:07 -  <img=ico_headshot> Tintin
02:51:12 - [DfD_Angelofkevin_Fr] wish to see u soon
02:51:14 - Maynd_Emir_of_Sarrdak <img=ico_couchedlance> Shemaforash_Grd_of_Sarrdak
02:51:17 - [DfD_Angelofkevin_Fr] king plazek

As I hope you can no doubt see, these "crimes" are extensive, and personally I am concerned. I am concerned that a fellow member of the league would act in such a way to
defame rivals, I am concerned that in comitting these actions he will have hurt both the 22nd clans reputation and my personal one. While I have no doubt that those who know
me would recognise the great difference between the grossly offensive comments Peter makes and my regular quiet and reserved (most of the time!) self. These events happened on
a server I do not frequnt, with players that do not know me. Furthermore I noticed comments made by him and other DFD clan members in the past that spoke in derogatory ways
about the 22nd on the IG server which I rose above and ignored. However given this new knowledge I am now also concerned that these actions may not be a one time thing, or even whether or not they are restricted to being solely against the 22nd. The answer to which will bring up new questions alone.

Are these the sorts of people you wish to fight alongside in the first official Warband clan league? I doubt the league will take any action against them and arguable it is not their place. I will be more interested to learn how the DFD leadership will respond to these accusations and the indisputable array of evidence.

Full server log:

http://www.mediafire.com/?fvw26d2w2amxtb3

Warband Keys:

DFD_Madara - 151177
DFD_Peter    - 104596

Sympathetic clans and server hosts may do with these keys as they will.
 
More general info at http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,178831.0.html
BTW, don't laugh at my English, tend to go crazy when typing on steam!
 
Arch3r said:
Decisions have been made by the Captain Lust..

[18:22] Archuhr: ban 22nd and DFD from division A
[18:22] captain lust: agreed
Do it do it  :razz:

But in all seriousness. Wauw, This looks very bad for them. I've always thought of DFD as your average clan. I did not know this.
 
Some bad unfunny trolling, but I don't know why whole clan should be baned. In my opinion would be enough that only those who had took nicks would be baned.
 
My bad, didn't know that you are also a troll :grin:

Also Plazek why is there in the title 22nd vs DFD didn't they took only your nick?
 
I am 22nd :razz:

But no, I just wanted a catchy title in the style of real judicial methods. Which is [SURNAME OF AGGRIEVED] VS [SURNAME OF ACCUSED].
 
serious business

seriously..i'm collecting "black" Game IDs for a black list
a.k.a. list for players, you should ban before they enter
:eek:
feed me guys =P
 
Good afternoon guys.

I'm Jeanne d'Arc leader of the DFD.
I've confirmed that :
-Player 104596 is DFD_Peter
-Player 151177 is DFD_Madara

I've seen them on private with Captain Lust and one of my co lead and here are the reasons :
-Peter is Madara's friend and helped him. There are big chances that he was drunk during this stupid conversation.
-Madara came from 22nd and it appeared that some 22nd guys ignored him after the FRA vs ITA match. I won't judge 22nd management because Madara finally joined DFD.
-In other part, Some 22nd guys have denigrated the french game (no need to debate about this - it's not a problem). The FRA team tried to crush these point of view during the Nations Cup and i think honnestly that we had suceed but my 2 teammates acted like children and erased the FRA team work.

Here are the conclusions :
-Of course the speech of my 2 DFD kids is not the mirror of DFD Speech. You could verify on our forum than the respect is the main rule of DFD clan. So I decide to decrease Peter's and Tobi's ranks to recruit. The ENL is actually on. So it's not possible to don't let them play the tournament. And i assure that they won't do this now. It was not bad but it was too stupid so no need to ban.
-Captain Lust seems to let DFD in the tournament. Thanks to his wisdom.
-I recognize and i'm glad about the cooperations between clans but i'm sad that Plazek prefered to speak here before speak with me... I think you won't appreciate that i will post here each time when one of your member denigrate us before have a conversation with you...
-To 22nd guys. I would like that you forgive us about the stupid speech of my 2 teammates. We respected and recognized your clan. Personnaly i prefered some little kind provocations to have the good spirits during our next meeting. I'm agree that to speak with the King_Plazek nickname was very stupid. So  Please forget this incident and let's continue to prepare for our next confrontation :smile: I think my clan will be very motivate.
-My 2 guys will post here. Thanks to let them speak. I will try to answer every questions.

PS : Sorry if there are some mistakes. It was long time i've made a long english post ^^'
 
Ban both clans, it's just a bunch of trolls and a bunch of frenchs. Also ban IG.
 
When a 22nd member does something this ridiculous feel free to respond in kind. However this clan has been around for years and never been engaged in such activities.
There is a difference between saying negative things about a clan and impersonation of that clans leadership/players alias so as to directly harm their reputation.
We have several French players in the 22nd clan and hold no negative views of French players, they are some of our best.

Anyhow, thanks for the response and for confirming their identities. Though I have removed people from my clan for less, how you run DFD is your business.

Your English is fine.
 
As Jeanne said, I have no intention of taking any kind of official action.

It's pretty weak behaviour from Peter and Madara but I'm sure Jeanne will do a good job of handling it, internally and I don't expect anything further will come of it.
 
Thanks for your answer and i agree with you that  my 2 teammates were wrong and it was very bad to take your identity.
Ive already played with your french player, Deprav :wink:
You are perhaps right that it will be better to erase this problem with a quick ban but they are still young and i think they ve learned this lesson of life. And i think everybody have the right of a 2nd luck. So perhaps, you and other clan leaders will consider my kindness of a weakness. But it's in deed, my business :smile:

I think you can also accept that :
-You should had to see me before created this ragepost.
-Perhaps your translation is wrong but in french, your sentence is very bad :
"You know what they say, when you see one rat there will be 10 more hiding in the filth that you have not noticed".
As you consider DFDs as rats, you can accept the fact that your reaction is not a good reaction to resolve this problem...
 
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