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[Europe 1805] Faction and Unit overview
« on: January 01, 2011, 03:42:46 PM »
I'll try to write a decent guide in this topic about all the factions, units and in future perhaps weapons. You are also more then welcome to debate them in here or make suggestions for the guide. I'll try not only to talk about their role in the game but also give some historical background.

Factions

The unit list does not include mercenaries employed by some factions or veterans.

The Kingdom of Denmark
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Danish Militia,Danish Regular,Danish Grenadier,Danish Dragoon,Norwegian Skier

Denmark is in a bit of a difficult situation. Even though it has important trade connections with Britain it cannot afford to come into full conflict with the French Empire. Added to this it has continued rivalry with Sweden over Norway. Because Sweden has declared itself a enemy of France ever since the revolution worse relations with Britain might be a price to pay in return for support from Napoleon.

The Kingdom of Sweden
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Coalition member
Units: Swedish Recruit,Swedish Regular,Finnish Marksman,Swedish Dragoon

Located in a corner of the Map Sweden is quite safe from looting armies. Nevertheless it is far from sure that this relatively small nation hasn't entered a conflict that is out of it's league. The biggest challenge will be to protect Swedish Pomerania. A conflict would be a huge risk but also offer great possibilities.

The Electorate of Bavaria
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Allied with France
Units: Bavarian recruit,Bavarian Regular

Although formally independent Bavaria has become a bit of a puppet state from France, without whose support it would not be able to withstand it's long conflict with Austria. Chances are that the main fighting between France and Austria will take place on Bavarian soil.

The French Empire
Size: Large
Diplomacy: Main enemy of the coalition
Units: French Conscript,French Fusillier,French Voltigeur,French Grenadier,French Dragoon,French Dismounted Dragoon,French Hussar,French Horse Chasseur,French Cuirassier

This is the army to beat. Their soldiers might not be the very best, both infantry and cavalry are very good. The French army is balanced and good in everything. Especially in logistics which allows them to have slightly larger armies in the field then other nations. They are also certain of support from their Dutch and Italian vassal states. While being capable of fighting a war on multiple fronts, imperial overstretch might become something to worry about when the game progresses. Cuirassiers and Grenadiers are probably the best units they can bring into the field. Unlike most other factions they don't arm their light infantry, the voltigeurs, with rifles but with muskets.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain
Size: Large
Diplomacy: Leader of the coalition
Units: British Volunteer,British Regular,British Grenadier,British Rifle,Highlander,British Light Dragoon,British Heavy Dragoon,KGL Hussar

In 1805 the British army is still far away from what it is in the peninsular war. After the disastrous campaign in Flanders (1793-94) it was clear that reforms where needed. By now the infantry has become quite good but the cavalry is still a weak point. Because dragoons are cheaper all British cavalry was transformed to either Light or Heavy Dragoons. Their equipment is average and their training horrible. The one exception to this is the King's German Legion. Their Hussars can hold their own against any other in Europe.

The Papal states
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Papal Recruit,Papal Regular

The Kingdom of Portugal
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Portuguese Recruit,Portuguese Regular,Portuguese Cacadores,Portuguese Dragoon

The Kingdoms Naples and Sicily
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral, high probability of conflict with the Ottoman Empire.
Units: Sicilian Recruit,Sicilian Regular,Sicilian Dragoon

The Kingdoms of Naples and Sicily are in a personal union under Ferdinand (IV in Naples and III in Sicily) and who would later become king of the Kingdom of Naples and Sicily as Ferdinand I. As a Catholique ruler he has a natural dislike for both the Ottoman Empire and, since the Revolution, France.

The Kingdom of Spain
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Allied with France
Units: Spanish Recruit,Spanish Regular,Spanish Heavy Cavalry

In 1805 the stealthy invasion hasn't taken place yet and Spain is still a thrusted ally of France.

The County of Nassau
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Nassau Recruit,Nassau Regular

The Austrian Empire
Size: Large
Diplomacy: Coalition member
Units: Austrian Recruit,Austrian Volunteer,Austrian Regular,Austrian Grenadier,Austrian Jaeger,Tyrolean Jaeger,Polish Uhlan,Hungarian Hussar,Austrian Kurassier

The Austrian infantry is decent but the true power comes from their cavalry. The Hungarians have the best hussars and the Polish Uhlans employed by the Austrian empire are lethal. The biggest threat for the Austrian empire comes from it's central location. A war with both France and the Ottoman empire could prove to be to much. Worse still, it's far from sure that the Prussians can be trusted.

The Serbian Revolutiony State
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral, war with the Ottoman Empire
Units: Serbian Rebel,Serbian Militia,Serbian Revolutionary

After the Slaughter of the Knezes in 1804 the Serbians rebelled against their Ottoman governor and selected chose their own government and parliament. While the revolt is mostly aimed at the corrupt governors and not the Ottoman Sultan itself a direct conflict with the Ottoman empire is unavoidable. The Serbians don't have a regular army and will have to use guerilla tactics to survive to upcoming conflict.

The Electorate of Saxony
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Saxon Recruit,Saxon Regular,Saxon Hussar

One of the German states that constantly tried to be on the winning side in the conflict between Prussia and France. This however could turn out to be a dangerous game as it isn't strong enough to take on either one of these states.

The Ottoman Empire
Size: Large
Diplomacy: Neutral, War with Serbian rebel state, high probability of conflict with the Kingdoms Naples and Sicily.
Units: Ottoman Recruit,Nizam-I Cedit,Janissary,Sipahi

The Ottoman Empire is not what is used to be. It has become painfully obvious that the traditional warrior class that protected the empire is no longer capable in doing so. Change, however, might lead to civil war and the new Nizam-I Cedit soldiers in European Style are not yet experienced enough to take over from the Janissaries. A constant problem for the Ottomans is the large amount of bandits and rebels.

The Kingdom of Italy
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Vassal state of the French Empire
Units: Italian Recruit,Italian Regular

This Vassal of the French Empire is in full conflict with the Austrian Empire. Expect some bitter fighting against vast Austrian Armies. Support from France might be essential if this small, new kingdom is to survive.

The Kingdom of Prussia
Size: Large
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Prussian Conscript,Prussian Musketeer,Prussian Schuetzen,Prussian Grenadier,Prussian Jaeger,Prussian Dragoon,Prussian Kurassier,Prussian Hussar,Brandenburger Uhlan

Prussia starts as a neutral state. This time can best be used to get a decent army as it is far from sure they can stop a foreign invasion. Frederick The Great made Prussia to what it is today but after his death reforms halted and the Prussian army is still organised like in those glorious days. Worse still is that their equipment has become outdated. The only musket worse then the Prussian standard infantry musket is those used by the Russians. This makes their infantry vastly inferior in both range and reload time then their French and Austrian colleagues. The cavalry however still has an excellent reputation. Even though their mythical status is a bit exaggerated they do are above average.

The Dutchy of Wuerttemberg
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutral
Units: Wuerttemberger Recruit,Wuerttemberger Regular,Wuerttemberger Jaeger Zu Pferd

The Electorate of Hesse-kassel
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Neutrall
Units: Hessian Recruit,Hessian Regular,Hessian Grenadier,Hessian Hussar

This small German State became notorious for it's mercenaries that fought in many European armies. Hessian became even the name Americans gave to any Germanic soldier fighting for the British in the American war of independence. They also introduced the boot that became known as "the Hessian". There Hussars are well known and decent soldiers.

The Batavian Republic
Size: Small
Diplomacy: Vassal state of the French Empire
Units: Dutch Recruit,Dutch Regular,Dutch Grenadier,Dutch Dragoon

Just like the Kingdom of Italy the Batavian Republic is a vassal state of the French Empire. It has the advantage of not being at the front line and thus is more capable of taking the fight to the enemy.

The Russian Empire
Size: Large
Diplomacy: Coalition member
Units: Russian Conscript,Russian Regular,Russian Grenadier,Moscow Musketeer,Cossack,Russian Kalmuck,Russian Hussar,Russian Dragoon

Russian Infantry is exceptionally good. To bad that their equipment isn't. It's said that a Russian musket has more use as a club then as a firearm. This is why Russian soldiers often prefer to use captured enemy guns. In game this is reflected by the Moscow Musketeers who use French Charlevilles making them equal in ranged combat without loosing their melee advantage. The Russian cavalry is good but not exceptional. Thanks to it's large population they can have slightly larger armies then most others.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 03:43:26 PM »
Units

Units with a * behind their name are veterans. Most units can be upgraded to veterans. Because they are simple a stronger version of the normal unit they aren't included in this guide.

Infantry

Line Infantry
The core of every army. They are cheap and can quite effective. Thanks to their bayonet they aren't totally defenceless against cavalry either. Still, try to keep them away from a heavy cavalry or your losses will be high. Against weaker enemies it can be a good tactic to move in close, fire a single volley and then charge with bayonets. If your timing is right the enemy won't have a chance to reload. There is a large variety in quality. This depends both on their stats and their equipment.
Weapons: Musket and bayonet
Notable units: British regulars, Austrian Regulars,Moscow Musketeers,

Light Infantry
These skirmishers are often (but not always!) armed with rifles. This makes them far more accurate but also results in a slow reload time. They tend to be very weak in melee. Don't even think to use them against a cavalry charge.
Weapons: Rifle and infantry sword/Musket and bayonet
Notable units: British Rifles, Finnish Marksmen, Prussian Jaegers

Grenadiers
These elite units aren't better in ranged combat then line infantry. Their value is in melee fights. Use them right and they can be quite worth the extra cost.
Weapons: Musket and bayonet
Notable units: Russian Grenadiers, French Grenadiers, British Grenadiers

Cavalry

Different types of cavalry can perform different tasks. The only thing they all have in common is that they are far more expensive then infantry. This is not only because of the obvious costs of buying and maintaining horses, but also because these troops where trained more and better then the cannon fodder called infantry.

Cavalrymen are trained in different ways. In Britain they are told not to thrust at all but to slash with their weapon. In France on the other hand they are trained to do exactly the opposite. Many models of French sabres and swords weren't even sharpe on the edge! Most other nation's soldiers will do both.

Cuirassiers/Kurassiers
The age of invincible knights is long gone, but these cavalrymen come close. Often protected with a cuirass (hence the name) and riding on strong, heavy horses they are ideal for breaking infantry formations. This group also includes British heavy dragoons, who are fact heavy cavalry demoted for financial reasons. French Cuirassiers wear a full cuirass (front and back) and Austrian Kurassiers only a breast plate. Most other armies abandoned armor in exchange for more speed and agility.
Weapons: Straight sword and pistol
Notable units: French Cuirassiers

Dragoons
Dragoons were originally infantry that moved from one location to another on horseback but was not intended to fight on horseback. By the time of the napoleonic wars they were generally considered to be cavalry, but most 'true' cavalrymen looked down on them. The dragoon is medium heavy cavalry and something in between a Cuirassier and a Horse Chasseur. It versatility has the downside of not being specialised. They ride on heavy cavalry horses but don't have the armor and power of a cuirassier. They make up for that by being armed with a carbine. Some dragoons evolved to become semi-heavy cavalry, others are best used as skirmishers.
Weapons: Straight sword and carbine/musketoon
Notable units: Dutch Dragoons, Swedish Dragoons, Russian Dragoons

Horse Chasseurs/Jaegers Zu Pferd/Light Dragoons
They tend to be the cheapest cavalry. and were often used as scouts. Having a similar role they often had quarrels with Hussars. French Horse Chasseurs (because of their low cost the favourite cavalry of napoleon) are known for claiming to be equally skilled with the sabre as Hussars. The Hussars disagree. Being cheap doesn't mean that they are worthless though. With their carbines they can inflict heavy losses on heavy cavalry and they are perfect for taking out small groups of infantry. However, they will not do well in melee against both heavy cavalry or infantry in formation.
Weapons: Sabre and carbine
Notable units: French Horse Chasseurs

Hussars
Being a hussar is a life style. They are brave, dashing, arrogant and spend their time singing rude songs about dragoons. They are by far the best sabre fencers but they don't have the armor or strong horses to break a solid body of infantry. It also isn't a good idea to use them against cuirassiers unless you clearly outnumber them.
Weapons: Sabre
Notable units: Hungarian hussars, KGL Hussars

Lancers/Uhlans
Armed with a lance they inflict instant kills on impact, making them a cheap answer to enemy heavy cavalry. Key is to stay moving as their lance will become useless when the enemy can come in close enough with his sabre. Don't use them dismounted as they won't stand a chance..
Weapons: Lance
Notable units: Polish Uhlans (Austria), Brandenburger Uhlans

Special Units

Tyrolean Jaegers: Thanks to the revolutionary Girandoni Air Rifle they can fire 30 shots without reloading! Downside of this miracle is the very high cost.
French Dismounted Dragoons: Due to a lack of horses these experienced Dragoons are used a skirmishers. Unlike normal light infantry they do very well in melee. They will do very well in sieges.
Kalmucks: These eastern steppe warriors are employed by the Russian empire and are unique in using bow and arrow! They are also quite cheap.
Highlanders: They are known for their bravery and do better then most in melee.
Janissaries: The old protectors of the Ottoman empire face being replaced by new western styled infantry. But these warriors armed with rifle and sword don't go down without a fight.

Mercenaries

You can recruit these in taverns. Also note that some factions employ them too.

Swiss Line infantry: Swiss mercenaries fought for many different rulers, sometimes fighting other swiss mercenaries who where hired by another state. They are decent infantrymen, not exceptional but good enough to do the job.
Swiss Jaegers: A light infantry upgrade from Swiss Line infantry.
Irish Line Infantry: The Irish fought in many different European Armies. Sometimes in a way to serve Ireland abroad but most of the time to just for the money. They are cheaper but less good the the Swiss Line Infantry.
Polish Uhlans: The Poles where known for their excellent Lancers, called Uhlans. They weir a typical Shako and can put their entire weight behind one sharp point when charging. These mercenaries are about as good as their colleagues employed by the Austrian Empire but a lot more expensive.
Hessian Hussars: Good and experienced mercenaries from the Electorate of Hesse-Kassel. They are of course more expensive then the regular Hessian Hussar.
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Re: [Europe 1805] Faction and Unit overview (WIP)
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 03:44:27 PM »
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Re: [Europe 1805] Faction and Unit overview (WIP)
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 04:50:01 PM »
The amount of work put into this, and is going to be put into this gives me an headache. Berthout you're as enthusiastic as I was from the start. I love to hear that again.

Really, keep up the good work lad.

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 01:51:44 AM »
Awesome Mod!  I'm loving the KGL Hussars.  Are you thinking about adding any other units, like say: Horse guards, Scots Greys, Red Lancers, French Sappers?

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2011, 11:01:18 AM »
this should be stickied or added to the download thread.
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Re: [Europe 1805] Faction and Unit overview
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2011, 05:20:24 PM »
Awesome Mod!  I'm loving the KGL Hussars.  Are you thinking about adding any other units, like say: Horse guards, Scots Greys, Red Lancers, French Sappers?

Sure, new units will be in the next release(s).
Not sure though about the units you mention. A next release will probably focus on Portugal, Spain, Sicily and some of the German states.

Nevertheless, feel free to suggest troops at any time. The main reason why Denmark was expanded so much in this release is because someone was so nice to send me info about their troops and uniforms in 1805.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2011, 06:09:25 PM »
Awesome Mod!  I'm loving the KGL Hussars.  Are you thinking about adding any other units, like say: Horse guards, Scots Greys, Red Lancers, French Sappers?

Sure, new units will be in the next release(s).
Not sure though about the units you mention. A next release will probably focus on Portugal, Spain, Sicily and some of the German states.

Nevertheless, feel free to suggest troops at any time. The main reason why Denmark was expanded so much in this release is because someone was so nice to send me info about their troops and uniforms in 1805.
If you want Berthout, I can provide some textures for the units that Kendoman suggested (have to make them first though). You can add them then later on in the mod...

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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2011, 06:27:42 PM »
Awesome Mod!  I'm loving the KGL Hussars.  Are you thinking about adding any other units, like say: Horse guards, Scots Greys, Red Lancers, French Sappers?

Sure, new units will be in the next release(s).
Not sure though about the units you mention. A next release will probably focus on Portugal, Spain, Sicily and some of the German states.

Nevertheless, feel free to suggest troops at any time. The main reason why Denmark was expanded so much in this release is because someone was so nice to send me info about their troops and uniforms in 1805.
If you want Berthout, I can provide some textures for the units that Kendoman suggested (have to make them first though). You can add them then later on in the mod...

JDeNef13

Thanks for the offer!

At the moment it's not necesarry though. The thing is, there are only about 60 slots you can use in the module system. I need those to add the troops to the Major/Warrant officer in towns. And well, i've use them all. So until I code a new system for selecting them I can't add new units unless they aren't recruited from the major/warrant officer.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 10:39:56 AM »
Quite frankly, I don't think you need a huge set of troops per tree. So I think the amount you have now is quite alright.

oh and yes, I can sticky this if you want to?

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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 06:07:05 PM »

If you could make it sticky that would be great.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 12:59:29 PM »
*Draws my rapier and fiercly throws it with full force into the wall, taking the topic with it* There, it's as stuck as it can be.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2011, 05:31:43 PM »
*Draws my rapier and fiercly throws it with full force into the wall, taking the topic with it* There, it's as stuck as it can be.

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 08:19:45 AM »
Great job on the mod so far, I really hope that some more Italian units can be added eventually. I was looking online and founds a nice picture with maybe a couple examples of possible new troops if you needed it.

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/lh/lh5/lh5_48.html
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/lh/lh5/lh5_49.html

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 12:49:44 PM »
Great job on the mod so far, I really hope that some more Italian units can be added eventually. I was looking online and founds a nice picture with maybe a couple examples of possible new troops if you needed it.

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/lh/lh5/lh5_48.html
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/lh/lh5/lh5_49.html

Thanks!

I've already decided to add Horse Chasseurs and Grenadiers to the Kingdom if Italy in the next version.
If all goes well all factions will have a decent troop tree then.
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