One big mess which one day I will bring back to order:
There are 128 banners in Native. If you remember the fact that in medieval times more than one family used the same banner at the same time then you will came to conclusion: it is more than plenty for nobles of this comunity.
THE LIST OF BANNERS - from which you can to choose from..or choose your own design. Please post img of banner in [ANNOUNCEMENT] Player heraldry to make sure that your banner is included in the mod by Laszlo:
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Registry :
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House of Benbow
noble members:
- Andras Benbow
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House of Bluvard
noble members:
- Masonic Architect Varik Bluvard the First
- Templar Knight Varik Bluvard the Second
- Sir Varik Bluvard the Third (current generation)
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House of Blackhill
Noble Members:
- Lord Antonius of Blackhill
- Lady Clarissa
- Michael
- Lord Harold
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House de Fenwick
noble members:
- Robert De Fenwick
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Gawyn House
noble members:
- Lady Aegileif
Black Hawk
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House of Jenkins
noble members:
- Sir Leroy of Jenkins House
The King
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House de Mon
noble members:
- NOVICIUS (legendary old man, possibly Progenitor)
- sir Red de Mon
Other famous knight using this coat of arms:
- Sir Jones McIndiaburg
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House of Pieta
noble members:
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I I
- Conrad the Sixth Cassander II "Prince"
Grand Duke of Podolia
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House of Tidwell
the House of Tidwell serves under the House of the White Lion.
noble members
-Richard the 4th of Tidwell
-Leofrick the Bishop
-Tirok of Tidwell
-Hadrian of Tidwell
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The White Lion House
noble members:
Jezebel (diseased)
Azrayel (current generation)
Note: Azrayel has a son, however for various political reasons is keeping him secret (he should come around whenever my map's done).
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House of Wrath
noble members:
- Draco Wrath I (Deceased)
- Draco Wrath II (Current Generation)
Templar Master
THE LIST OF BANNERS - from which you can to choose from..or choose your own design. Please post img of banner in [ANNOUNCEMENT] Player heraldry to make sure that your banner is included in the mod by Laszlo:
There you will find banner of House de Mon, House of Pieta and The House of White Lion
There is House of Bluvard:
There is House of Wrath
There is House of Hengisoth
There is House of Jenkins
BORGIA
ARCHIVE: This is idea at the beginning of development so please excuse me for editing. I wanted to put it on before somebody else will do it...If somebody done it allready in THIS forum please let me know as soon as possible...
This is not another guild or clan.
Why not? Nobles could fight against each other. They do not have to support each other in fight or war.
Why then?
Nobles is a class with specific way of RolePlaying. It is way of developing your character based on honor codex, fame, respect and the most importand: consistency.
Noble would support each other as class not as side of political conflict.
Noble would deffend other nobles in public discussion
Noble would listen to other noble first in any kind of argument
Noble would believe other noble (in his side of story)
Noble would not allowed other noble to go to prison without order of higher rank noble (King,Duke,Count) and without process in which accused noble have opportunity to present his deffence.
Noble would speak for other noble
Noble relation with other(lower) classes would be his own decision as long the other(lower) classes interest is not in conflict with other nobles PRECIESLY
Ultimate Goals: Real medieval experience when every noble man was known by his family story, his coat of arms, his fame...
Real Persistant World
Real Heritage (consistency)
What you have to do to become noble?
Simple:
to become known as one, to act like one, to look like one
Specific:
- only 3 classes available: Civilian, Mounted man at arms, Dismounted man at arms
- all other classes are forbidden: if you noble character will be ever seen playing other class you have to have very good reason (RP) to explain your self but there is no guaranteed you will be trusted. In the best scenario you will loose your status.
- distinctive name of the character: titles are not necessary as well as there are can not guaranty that your char will be respected (good example: Azrayel will be always Lady Azrayel to me; bad example: if you call yourself "sir Idiot" you will never ever be seen as noble but, most likely, you will be seen as idiot)
- consistency - yours character allways has to RolePlay as noble
"consistency - yours character allways has to RolePlay as noble" - this need explanation...the easiest by example: since I start to play I have used a lot of different characters: Novicius, Farmer of Death(FPW only),Tourist,Patrician,Annalist...and many more. Each one of them was created for purpose (Tourist was one to make some screenshots and check the map for example when Annalist was to collect other players game stories). My main character is sir Red de Mon... I have never played this char as brigand... sir Red de Mon will be always civilian or knight of Red Faction. If you ever see sir Red de Mon who use other class...it will not be me...please report that to admin as character stealing crime.
EXTANDED EXPLENATIONS (posted after Splintert question..some times ago)
1.Nobles would rather support other noble than peasant. Why? To avoid rebelion. All nobles were beneficial from class system and all nobles understand this is system of oppression which is forced on rather than accepted by lower classes. Peasants rebellion happend more often than people think as this system was really bad for them. Only the biggest peasants rebelion were recorded as it was nobles who sponsored story telling...
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
2.From the same reason as point 1.: noble would always refuse to support claim in court (public discussion) made by commoner against other noble
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
3.From the same reason as point 1 and 2.:noble would rather support what other noble would say as he would not even listen what commoner have got to say
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
4.From the same reason as in points:1.2.3. no comments just straight to the...
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
I hope that in this way I make my point clear enough and more specific than just saying:"Noble would support each other as class not as side of political conflict."
Lets move on to good or bad issue...
"It is way of developing your character based on:
honor codex" - based on class system: so you take word of other noble as true but you believe that whatever commoner have to say it would be a lie. Example(in game):
commoner say: "this noble robe me, taxed me and killed my friend who refuse to pay tax",
noble deffend him self: "nice weather today, how are you noble friend",
noble who judge:" very nice weather in did.I am allright. Is that peasant trouble you my noble friend?"
("bad")noble: "he should be hang for speaking up",
("good")noble: I would just ignore him. He is just a peasant after all"
, "fame" - basically pride and arrogance...nothing "good" about it
, "respect " - based on class system - noble respect other nobles even they are his enemies. How? Many ways...so many it is hard to bring one example...but.."sir Red de Mon would stop fight with noble if he would ask sir Red for it. He( sir Red) would never try to kill other noble just because it would be opportunity for it. If sir Red is asked to fight duel without shield sir Red will drop shield. If some noble would ask sir Red to wait and protect 40K until other noble will come back sir Red would wait until other noble would come back.
- other side: sir Red would kill brigand if he would have advantage...sir Red would not listen and would not trust to whatever brigand,peasant,TW,soldier have to say...sir Red would not stop fighting because some commoner ask him to do so...
This is big difference what you do not get it fully Splintert. You missed one thing in my thread:
"Nobles could fight against each other. They do not have to support each other in fight or war. " What nobles have to do is: support own class and be arrogant with relations to lower classes.
If you are good or bad is down to you but you can not be as noble too good to peasant...Other nobles can start to think that you have something common with him...Why would you in other way be nice to the slave?
There is nothing GOOD about nobles if you look at them from commoner point of view...but point of view dippend on from which side you see it...
Comment: I do not expect a lot of comments. Being noble is unique... and it should stay that way.
TO BE CONTINUED...
There is House of Bluvard:
There is House of Wrath
There is House of Hengisoth
There is House of Jenkins
ARCHIVE: This is idea at the beginning of development so please excuse me for editing. I wanted to put it on before somebody else will do it...If somebody done it allready in THIS forum please let me know as soon as possible...
This is not another guild or clan.
Why not? Nobles could fight against each other. They do not have to support each other in fight or war.
Why then?
Nobles is a class with specific way of RolePlaying. It is way of developing your character based on honor codex, fame, respect and the most importand: consistency.
Noble would support each other as class not as side of political conflict.
Noble would deffend other nobles in public discussion
Noble would listen to other noble first in any kind of argument
Noble would believe other noble (in his side of story)
Noble would not allowed other noble to go to prison without order of higher rank noble (King,Duke,Count) and without process in which accused noble have opportunity to present his deffence.
Noble would speak for other noble
Noble relation with other(lower) classes would be his own decision as long the other(lower) classes interest is not in conflict with other nobles PRECIESLY
Ultimate Goals: Real medieval experience when every noble man was known by his family story, his coat of arms, his fame...
Real Persistant World
Real Heritage (consistency)
What you have to do to become noble?
Simple:
to become known as one, to act like one, to look like one
Specific:
- only 3 classes available: Civilian, Mounted man at arms, Dismounted man at arms
- all other classes are forbidden: if you noble character will be ever seen playing other class you have to have very good reason (RP) to explain your self but there is no guaranteed you will be trusted. In the best scenario you will loose your status.
- distinctive name of the character: titles are not necessary as well as there are can not guaranty that your char will be respected (good example: Azrayel will be always Lady Azrayel to me; bad example: if you call yourself "sir Idiot" you will never ever be seen as noble but, most likely, you will be seen as idiot)
- consistency - yours character allways has to RolePlay as noble
"consistency - yours character allways has to RolePlay as noble" - this need explanation...the easiest by example: since I start to play I have used a lot of different characters: Novicius, Farmer of Death(FPW only),Tourist,Patrician,Annalist...and many more. Each one of them was created for purpose (Tourist was one to make some screenshots and check the map for example when Annalist was to collect other players game stories). My main character is sir Red de Mon... I have never played this char as brigand... sir Red de Mon will be always civilian or knight of Red Faction. If you ever see sir Red de Mon who use other class...it will not be me...please report that to admin as character stealing crime.
EXTANDED EXPLENATIONS (posted after Splintert question..some times ago)
1.Nobles would rather support other noble than peasant. Why? To avoid rebelion. All nobles were beneficial from class system and all nobles understand this is system of oppression which is forced on rather than accepted by lower classes. Peasants rebellion happend more often than people think as this system was really bad for them. Only the biggest peasants rebelion were recorded as it was nobles who sponsored story telling...
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
2.From the same reason as point 1.: noble would always refuse to support claim in court (public discussion) made by commoner against other noble
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
3.From the same reason as point 1 and 2.:noble would rather support what other noble would say as he would not even listen what commoner have got to say
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
4.From the same reason as in points:1.2.3. no comments just straight to the...
Point: nobles would always support other noble in case of conflict with lower class member(commoner)
I hope that in this way I make my point clear enough and more specific than just saying:"Noble would support each other as class not as side of political conflict."
Lets move on to good or bad issue...
"It is way of developing your character based on:
honor codex" - based on class system: so you take word of other noble as true but you believe that whatever commoner have to say it would be a lie. Example(in game):
commoner say: "this noble robe me, taxed me and killed my friend who refuse to pay tax",
noble deffend him self: "nice weather today, how are you noble friend",
noble who judge:" very nice weather in did.I am allright. Is that peasant trouble you my noble friend?"
("bad")noble: "he should be hang for speaking up",
("good")noble: I would just ignore him. He is just a peasant after all"
, "fame" - basically pride and arrogance...nothing "good" about it
, "respect " - based on class system - noble respect other nobles even they are his enemies. How? Many ways...so many it is hard to bring one example...but.."sir Red de Mon would stop fight with noble if he would ask sir Red for it. He( sir Red) would never try to kill other noble just because it would be opportunity for it. If sir Red is asked to fight duel without shield sir Red will drop shield. If some noble would ask sir Red to wait and protect 40K until other noble will come back sir Red would wait until other noble would come back.
- other side: sir Red would kill brigand if he would have advantage...sir Red would not listen and would not trust to whatever brigand,peasant,TW,soldier have to say...sir Red would not stop fighting because some commoner ask him to do so...
This is big difference what you do not get it fully Splintert. You missed one thing in my thread:
"Nobles could fight against each other. They do not have to support each other in fight or war. " What nobles have to do is: support own class and be arrogant with relations to lower classes.
If you are good or bad is down to you but you can not be as noble too good to peasant...Other nobles can start to think that you have something common with him...Why would you in other way be nice to the slave?
There is nothing GOOD about nobles if you look at them from commoner point of view...but point of view dippend on from which side you see it...
Comment: I do not expect a lot of comments. Being noble is unique... and it should stay that way.
TO BE CONTINUED...
Registry :
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noble members:
- Andras Benbow
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noble members:
- Masonic Architect Varik Bluvard the First
- Templar Knight Varik Bluvard the Second
- Sir Varik Bluvard the Third (current generation)
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Noble Members:
- Lord Antonius of Blackhill
- Lady Clarissa
- Michael
- Lord Harold
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noble members:
- Robert De Fenwick
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noble members:
- Lady Aegileif
Black Hawk
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noble members:
- Sir Leroy of Jenkins House
The King
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noble members:
- NOVICIUS (legendary old man, possibly Progenitor)
- sir Red de Mon
Other famous knight using this coat of arms:
- Sir Jones McIndiaburg
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noble members:
- Roderick of Brebbanburgh,"Lord of Westenholt"(started the House)
*Cessaly of Nurnburg, doughter of Baron Sigmund
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I I I
Conrad the First Conrad II Conrad III
"1st Duke of the West March" "2nd Duke of the West March" marchant
*Nataliya Slavskii
doughter of Andrei Slavskii
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I I
Cassander I Conrad the Fourth
"king's heir" ?
N.N."Lord of Westenholt, Count, Duke of the West March, and Grand Duke of Podolia"
?
Conrad the Fith
"Lord of Westenholt, Count, Duke of the West March, and Grand Duke of Podolia"
*Cessaly of Nurnburg, doughter of Baron Sigmund
________I_______________________________________________________
I I I
Conrad the First Conrad II Conrad III
"1st Duke of the West March" "2nd Duke of the West March" marchant
*Nataliya Slavskii
doughter of Andrei Slavskii
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I I
Cassander I Conrad the Fourth
"king's heir" ?
N.N."Lord of Westenholt, Count, Duke of the West March, and Grand Duke of Podolia"
?
Conrad the Fith
"Lord of Westenholt, Count, Duke of the West March, and Grand Duke of Podolia"
I I
- Conrad the Sixth Cassander II "Prince"
Grand Duke of Podolia
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the House of Tidwell serves under the House of the White Lion.
noble members
-Richard the 4th of Tidwell
-Leofrick the Bishop
-Tirok of Tidwell
-Hadrian of Tidwell
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
noble members:
Jezebel (diseased)
Azrayel (current generation)
Note: Azrayel has a son, however for various political reasons is keeping him secret (he should come around whenever my map's done).
[/quote]
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noble members:
- Draco Wrath I (Deceased)
- Draco Wrath II (Current Generation)
Templar Master