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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #165 on: April 19, 2012, 11:34:45 PM »
Hey guys I'm brand spanking new to this game and having a bit of trouble with multi-player. I see a lot of things covered in this guide and I basically understand swinging and blocking but I would like the know the best way I should be moving around in combat.

For example, should I be circle strafing, strafing from left to right, moving around with the mouse to get my swings or a combination of these? I've tried multiple things with no luck, or does it just come down to swinging and blocking?

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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #166 on: April 19, 2012, 11:35:51 PM »
Get timing, then think about footwork.


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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #167 on: April 19, 2012, 11:42:19 PM »
Hey guys I'm brand spanking new to this game and having a bit of trouble with multi-player. I see a lot of things covered in this guide and I basically understand swinging and blocking but I would like the know the best way I should be moving around in combat.

For example, should I be circle strafing, strafing from left to right, moving around with the mouse to get my swings or a combination of these? I've tried multiple things with no luck, or does it just come down to swinging and blocking?

Generally when you swing right you want to turn around to the left. In this case you will end up move to the left, and this changes your options. A left swing in this case is a bad idea: it will take longer for you to hit them while they could just right swing and hit you. And as Reapy says, you want to keep moving in and out of the imaginary line that is the length of the weapon, so you can bait attacks from the enemy and then jump in at the right moment and slash their neck open :D

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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #168 on: April 20, 2012, 01:06:29 AM »
Hey guys I'm brand spanking new to this game and having a bit of trouble with multi-player. I see a lot of things covered in this guide and I basically understand swinging and blocking but I would like the know the best way I should be moving around in combat.

For example, should I be circle strafing, strafing from left to right, moving around with the mouse to get my swings or a combination of these? I've tried multiple things with no luck, or does it just come down to swinging and blocking?

If you can block well you'll be able to make it pretty far. In battle and siege (and pretty much everything except duels) I like to try to get around my opponent if it's safe (i.e, I wouldn't try to get around him if he has a bunch of teammates coming up behind him). So I basically try to get around him and force him back or to the side to try and get him to mess up his blocks. What you do really depends on the style of fighting that you end up developing. But in general, good tips to remember when developing your style are:

-Try to keep your opponent in the middle of your screen so you don't lose track of him
-Keep moving! If you start standing still you're opponent can run circles around you and really be aggressive to throw you off
-If things are getting too quick for you, back off. No reason to die cause your opponent had a seizure on top of his mouse

A lot of people have the idea when they start the game off that there's a sort of trade off for armor and speed, but when you're a newer player (hell even when you're a pretty damn good player), armor is almost always better. Dodging isn't really a consistent thing to rely on, especially when you're newer, and you aren't slowed down that much until you get absolute top gear in everything (head, boots, gloves, etc). So take as much armor as you can!
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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #169 on: April 20, 2012, 04:08:57 AM »
Hey guys I'm brand spanking new to this game and having a bit of trouble with multi-player. I see a lot of things covered in this guide and I basically understand swinging and blocking but I would like the know the best way I should be moving around in combat.

For example, should I be circle strafing, strafing from left to right, moving around with the mouse to get my swings or a combination of these? I've tried multiple things with no luck, or does it just come down to swinging and blocking?
Basically, just focus on keeping your foe centered in the screen, at least until you can comfortably block/attack. A good friend of mine called it "staying balanced". Then after that, worry about trying to get around people. Another thing to remember is to move forward when attacking, and backwards when blocking. This prevents enemies from getting around you. Try and come in from different sides and angles too, or you will probably get kicked.


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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #170 on: April 21, 2012, 02:49:30 AM »
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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #171 on: April 21, 2012, 03:00:39 AM »
I read this post and tried to give it a shot on servers. Well, I was booted in the ass :) I can't even defend myself when I'm ambushed in single-player but I'm progressing slowly. Had some nice chambering that resulted with kills. Had been a lot of fun but the fights seem to fast for me to react. Any tips on that?

P.s. Enemies seem to be striking much faster than I do. Any tip about this will be greatly appreciated also ;)

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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #172 on: April 21, 2012, 03:09:04 AM »
Move with your attacks. Left-to-right swing move to the right, right-to-left swing move to the left. Unless you see someone attacking from the direction your moving in. Then you'd just get hit faster. Move in the opposite direction on the other hand, and it'll take longer for their weapon to reach you.
Lean into your attacks. Same as above really except with the camera. Left-to-right swing move your camera quickly to the right. Etc.

I'm sure someone else can give better tips  :oops:

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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #173 on: April 21, 2012, 03:13:49 AM »
Move with your attacks. Left-to-right swing move to the right, right-to-left swing move to the left. Unless you see someone attacking from the direction your moving in. Then you'd just get hit faster. Move in the opposite direction on the other hand, and it'll take longer for their weapon to reach you.
Lean into your attacks. Same as above really except with the camera. Left-to-right swing move your camera quickly to the right. Etc.

I'm sure someone else can give better tips  :oops:

Those are some awesome tips. I've always considered this game's battle system to be more like arcade but now I get that it's much more simulative. Love this game even more :) Thanks for the quick reply. So I will try to hold my enemies on the center, and move accordingly to position.
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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #174 on: April 21, 2012, 03:30:02 AM »
Better swinging bash than spear, but it does lose some stab on the spear.
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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #175 on: April 21, 2012, 04:47:49 AM »
They're really not swinging any faster than you, you just aren't reacting nearly as fast as they are so it seems that way. Even with bots on the hardest settings, they'll fight a little slower than good humans. If you really want to get better, duel duel duel. A much as I hate the gamemode, it's great for working out the kinks in your fighting. Try getting a practice partner
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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #176 on: April 21, 2012, 01:42:58 PM »
Managed to get "Every Breath You Take" achievement with a k/d ratio of 19/13. Who wants a beer  :mrgreen:
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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #177 on: April 21, 2012, 03:44:52 PM »
I do notice a slight increase in youtube comments when the thread gets bumpped hehe.

I'd listen to these guys too they know what they are doing :)

When you start out everything seems overly fast. I've been playing like 2+ years now or whatever, but when I come off a long break the game feels really fast to me and I struggle a lot to play at 'full speed'. When I was really into it, the game felt slow motion, I couldn't do things fast enough, but once you lose the reaction time, you feel like your character has weights attached to his arms.

Most people you run into on pub servers play at about 75% off the pace of what a 'good' player (or spammer) will. Most likely you are pacing yourself to the larger body of slower players, so when you encounter a really good guy, hes going to just seem way too fast for a bit.

If you just spam buttons around on your character, you can see how fast he can move from blocks to swings and feints. When the controls and timing of the game is second nature you can move the guy around at full speed with purpose, which is what a lot of those 'faster' players seem to be doing.

For footwork, as these guys said, get a good shield and good armor and try to keep the guy centered. Over time you'll find you are keeping players slightly off to your left or right shoulder. This cuts down the time to hit them, generally you want to strike people the moment your swing will do damage and not 'whiff' on them. If they are slightly to the left, you can left swing, thrust, and overhead and hit them as soon as the swing allows.

Back off and turn to face people if they try to wrap you. Remember with the shield you block stuff in front of you, so face front to them and stop those attacks.  Try not to bump faces with them either, keep some space. The animations look differently (imho) from facehugging range than at a distance, and they tend to hit you sooner and at weird angles. Keeping some space between you, you have more time react to incoming swings, and sometimes have the option to backstep so their swing will miss.

With multiple people, you want to stay positioned so that at no point in time will 2 people be able to simultaneously hit you. This is hard to achieve sometimes, but is the key to surviving when you are outnumbered.  If you are backing up and 2 people are chasing you, face the closest guy and play him like normal, and watch the rear guy and move the opposite of him. So if the guy in the back goes to your left, you step right. This keeps the lead guy between you and the back guy, keeping you safe from getting hit in the back. 

If in the reverse of this and outnumbering a person, try to prevent the tangle and always push to keep the guy you are chasing between the two of you.

But practice practice, try to fix things that go wrong, if your overhead always misses someone to the left/right, try to correct yourself so you always strike your target. Try to fix your timing if you swing too soon/late, and try to push yourself when you transition from block to attack to do it as fast as possible.

Above all though, have fun though. Do silly things, go naked with a load of javs, try to ninja drop off a castle wall and kill someone, and run full speed into 20 enemies knotted at a door spamming like a mad man :)

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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #178 on: April 21, 2012, 04:00:26 PM »
I do notice a slight increase in youtube comments when the thread gets bumpped hehe.

I'd listen to these guys too they know what they are doing :)

When you start out everything seems overly fast. I've been playing like 2+ years now or whatever, but when I come off a long break the game feels really fast to me and I struggle a lot to play at 'full speed'. When I was really into it, the game felt slow motion, I couldn't do things fast enough, but once you lose the reaction time, you feel like your character has weights attached to his arms.

Most people you run into on pub servers play at about 75% off the pace of what a 'good' player (or spammer) will. Most likely you are pacing yourself to the larger body of slower players, so when you encounter a really good guy, hes going to just seem way too fast for a bit.

If you just spam buttons around on your character, you can see how fast he can move from blocks to swings and feints. When the controls and timing of the game is second nature you can move the guy around at full speed with purpose, which is what a lot of those 'faster' players seem to be doing.

For footwork, as these guys said, get a good shield and good armor and try to keep the guy centered. Over time you'll find you are keeping players slightly off to your left or right shoulder. This cuts down the time to hit them, generally you want to strike people the moment your swing will do damage and not 'whiff' on them. If they are slightly to the left, you can left swing, thrust, and overhead and hit them as soon as the swing allows.

Back off and turn to face people if they try to wrap you. Remember with the shield you block stuff in front of you, so face front to them and stop those attacks.  Try not to bump faces with them either, keep some space. The animations look differently (imho) from facehugging range than at a distance, and they tend to hit you sooner and at weird angles. Keeping some space between you, you have more time react to incoming swings, and sometimes have the option to backstep so their swing will miss.

With multiple people, you want to stay positioned so that at no point in time will 2 people be able to simultaneously hit you. This is hard to achieve sometimes, but is the key to surviving when you are outnumbered.  If you are backing up and 2 people are chasing you, face the closest guy and play him like normal, and watch the rear guy and move the opposite of him. So if the guy in the back goes to your left, you step right. This keeps the lead guy between you and the back guy, keeping you safe from getting hit in the back. 

If in the reverse of this and outnumbering a person, try to prevent the tangle and always push to keep the guy you are chasing between the two of you.

But practice practice, try to fix things that go wrong, if your overhead always misses someone to the left/right, try to correct yourself so you always strike your target. Try to fix your timing if you swing too soon/late, and try to push yourself when you transition from block to attack to do it as fast as possible.

Above all though, have fun though. Do silly things, go naked with a load of javs, try to ninja drop off a castle wall and kill someone, and run full speed into 20 enemies knotted at a door spamming like a mad man :)

Great advice as always, especially the keep it fun part.  I love your videos Reapy.  I nearly cried when I went back to your "falling down" video for some chilling out while watching a 20 man kill streak when I found that youtube cut the sound.  Could you repost it with different music (preferrably equally awesome!).

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Re: Mount & Blade Warband Infantry Primer
« Reply #179 on: April 21, 2012, 04:49:44 PM »
How can  an enemy swing his spear four times back to back without even giving me the time to block? I can't understand that. All the servers I've played so far, It's all about "let's swing and whoever hits wins". I want to learn but, meh, I'm really frustrated after all these tries. Enemy doesn't even try to block. They simply swing and hit. Extremely fast. As I've said, I was hit by a spearman with 4 left swings back to back, and although I knew which way the attack was coming from, I couldn't even raise my sword to block. Weird.
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