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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2009, 07:59:54 PM »
@Danny-Q: I can understand people who don't like the idea of having non-canonical characters involved in the story, nothing wrong with that, it's just that our ways of thinking differ. I'll let Berserker Pride sort out who he needs or doesn't need, that's the best solution I guess.

@Berserker Pride: I made the character of Emilie more of a comic relief character back then who sticks by Garrov's side, and eventually develops a love-hate relationship with Isidoro, until finally her two personalities merge and she becomes normal. I admit that in battle she would look a bit out-of-the-picture, and even in my original writing she rarely used her mace, and just to discipline people who annoyed her (she wanted to seriously kill a molester once though, but Garrov told her off once she beated the guy half-dead).

I agree on re-making the Daka armor, currently it's not the best (though it's still fun to face those guys).

Hm... I originally thought the "Code of Honor" would've been something to depict the character development of the hero, with effects those influence the entire gameplay, including character relations, kingdom management, personal stats and even some events. But it's true that it would require a LOT of work.

PS: I have more characters I could describe in detail... a hysterical twin couple who raped each other, an Apostle under the age of 12, a masked interdimensional traveler, an inventor obsessed with constrcucting weird machines... stay tuned ;)
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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2009, 08:54:29 PM »
Nice it all sounds rather indepth.  And I would like to start seeing more original stuff in the mod anyway.  That is the whole purpose of the second story arc.  The Gutts one will more or less stay with the manga storyline up until I run out of chapters of the manga.

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2009, 09:11:28 AM »
@Danny-Q: I can understand people who don't like the idea of having non-canonical characters involved in the story, nothing wrong with that, it's just that our ways of thinking differ. I'll let Berserker Pride sort out who he needs or doesn't need, that's the best solution I guess.

You gave him a Naginata as part of his personal weapon in the shape of a complicated wankstick, why? Since when are jap weapons something you see in Berserk? (you could have at least went middle-eastern in his choices since he was amongst the Kushan)
It's stuff along those lines that leaves a character with fanficOC stamped on thier foreheads.

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2009, 09:18:57 AM »
He doesn't have a naginata he has a staff with various heads on it.  Try not to overreact.  A naginata head is extremely similar to a glaive head.  Simply a broad heavy slashing blade attached to a big staff.  He could have called it a glaive head as well.  In the end I can edit all the weapons as I see fit anyway.  He probably called it a naginata because the Kushan are more eastern and he didn't want to call it a glaive.  I can't think of what the Indian version of a glaive is can you?

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2009, 09:28:45 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_m%C3%AAl%C3%A9e_weapons
I wouldn't have went with such a weapon in the first place, the head switch is too gimmicky and not particularly effective compared to a normal weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Weapons_in_Hindu_mythology
more stuff to look into for some inspiration.
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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2009, 09:37:42 AM »
Damn that reminds me I need to get a Kukri ingame.  They are one of the most badass cutting weapons.  My dad had one it was way better than a machete due to the angle of the blade.  You could take a man's arm off with one of those.  I should ask some people to start modelling these indian weapons.  Right now the Kushan have too arabic an armament.

Found a description of a Pata on that page.  Good find with that page Danny-Q
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A Pata (Hindustani paṭa पट) or sword gauntlet is a bladed weapon of Mughal period India, much like a short sword, except that the blade is integrated in a gauntlet.
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The Rajput warriors are known to have used this weapon very effectively during the Mughal period. They also developed variations of Pata with matchlock pistols adjoining the handle too.[citation needed]
Not sure if I'll add the second part but I already have a mesh of this sort that I am using as an evil soldier weapon.  A little editting and boom Pata.  Come to think of it Eric used one of these in the movie Willow.
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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2009, 10:20:40 AM »
Berserker Pride spoke correctly, the Bakiraka use a lot of exotic weapons, why couldn't at least one of them (who even roams the world freely and witnesses cultures other than Kushan) use glaive heads attached to his staff if he wants so ? On a different note, it is unlikely that such a variable weapon could be made in-game with all the possible heads. Maybe just 3 or so variations. One stunning (mace head), one anti-shield (poleaxe) and one bracer (pike), plus-minus a slasher (glaive) or something.
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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2009, 10:23:59 AM »
And the main trick is actually getting him to pick.  The ai tends to singlemindedly stick to the same weapons.  But I suppose he could come with all three weapons and the player can choose for him.  Actually he will swap between a lance verson and a slashing version depending what I flag the weapon as.

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2009, 11:32:15 AM »
You start with higher level and increased stats and equipment quality in almost every field, but negative Honor, bad relations with some characters and nearly zero Renown.
Zero renown? Because no one knows what you did because they are all dead? Sounds stupid. No offence inteneded. Killing everyone you see would at least give some rumours. I'd think such a killer would be known.

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2009, 12:33:35 PM »
The code of honor sounds interesting and it would add flavour to the mod, if it can be implemented.

The new fiction characters are certainly well made (especially the first one)! But I myself prefer the original characters of berserk, some might or not like the new characters, but that is the mod maker's decision to add or not the new characters.

EDIT: It seems I have encountered a big problem, in the Batzuzo duel, I don't take damage neither does Batzuzo... so the duel never ends and I can't continue the story forward. Help would be appreciated.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2009, 01:13:30 PM by Knightmaster »

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2009, 01:15:05 PM »
@Servitor: I wrote "almost zero Renown" because Renown is one of the most important resource of the game - if Renown is high, your party can be big. But not many people would stick by a mass murderer, right ? This way the player can't have too many troops and is indeed more forced to rely on himself.

@Knightmaster: well, if any of my Fan-fic characters make their way into the mod, it's up to the Player to decide if he/she wants them or not anyway: if they don't like them, they just won't use them, and if they like them, they will use them as they please, period. The new characters wouldn't be that closely tied to the main storyline anyway I presume, but this depends on Berserker Pride as well.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2009, 01:17:39 PM by MorrisB »
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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2009, 03:44:28 PM »
Speaking of the characters from my fan-fic... enjoy my two (or three :P ) personal favourites:

Dana and Dane
Together, we live, suffer and die. And we shall be happy all the way.
Race: Human/Human
Gender: Female (Dana)/Male (Dane)
Age: 23/23
Nationality: Tudor/Tudor
Appearence: Dana and Dane are twins who look, dress and behave similarly, so at first time it’s very hard to tell which is which. They are both slightly shorter than average (150-160 cm), have rumpled, somewhat spiky dark blond hair which is long but doesn’t reach their shoulders, green eyes, and they prefer to wear brown-reddish leather jerkyns, with red hoods those cover their faces. They are very similar even in body structure (thanks to the fact that Dana is a bit flat-chested): muscular and agile, but nothing exaggerated. Their only appearent difference is that Dana is right-handed, while Dane is left-handed (and their voice is different too).
Background: Dana and Dane were children of a village elder, who in his younger days led a wandering circus, but retired and settled in a village in Tudor to found a family. They were loving sister and brother and had a passion for acrobatics, which they learnt from one of their father’s former employee. This came to a breaking point when Dane grew old enough to be recruited for the army of Tudor so he was taken to be a soldier. Left behind and deeply worried of her brother, After several weeks Dana decided to leave the circus and search for Dane so she could take him home. Needlessly to say, she ended up badly, captured by slave merchants who wanted to sell her (along with other girls) to a perverted lord in Midland. It didn’t happen though, because Tudor soldiers ramsacked the caravan and took the slaves for their own personal use. Dane, now a trainee soldier, was part of the group which attacked the caravan, however brother and sister couldn’t recognize each other, because hard life distorted their bodies and faces. Abused by the other soldiers, Dane was forced to rape her sister with the soldiers watching the progress (everyone unaware of the incest). Dane asked for forgiveness afterwards and took Dana under his personal protection, but Dana was so shocked that she didn’t speak a word for quite a while. The ice broke only when they were captured by a Midland force and thrown into a common cell. There, Dane promised he’d take the girl out and return home with her, upon which Dana responded that she forgives Dane and is willing to go wherever he goes. They made love, and afterwards told each other their life stories. It was then they finally recognized each other; but instead of worrying about interbreeding crap, this only made their bond stronger. Soon, they managed to bust out of prison and escaped. Sadly, their home village got ravaged during the Midland-Tudor War. Since then, the strange couple wanders the land, gathering money as sell-swords and searching for a piece of earth where they can settle peacefully for the rest of their lives... or die together in one of their adventures.
Personality: The twins aren’t too welcoming towards anyone except each other; if paid well, they get their job done, but to actually earn their full trust takes quite a bit of time, but then they are reliable and caring comrades (a bit like Judeau). However, work or not, Dana and Dane refuse to split up for longer periods of time, both becoming hysterical and hotheaded if they are forced to do so. For this reason, they set up pretty strict conditions for the people they decide to work for. In every field of life, they get along so well as if they could read each other’s thoughts, and while talking with a third person they often respond simultaneously, and most of the time their responses are exactly the same.
Combat Style: having learnt acrobatics in a young age, the twins are both pretty agile for an avarage human. Such movements require lightweight or balanced weapons to work correctly though, so Dane used short swords, throwing knives and two-handed spears during his time as a soldier, and passed his experience on to Dana. In combat, they like to focus on few or a single target, Dana taking the left side while Dane taking the right, attacking in close cooperation. If one of them is injured, the second immediately focuses on defending the other and taking him/her out of harm’s way before returning to battle.

Dankell Baerd
This world caused us much grief. Now, we intend to repay that debt.
Race: Human
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Nationality: Tudor/Midland
Appearence: Dankell is a grim man of average height, muscles of steel, with countless wounds and scars dotting his body. His first fingertips missing from the little and ring-finger of his left hand (replaced by prostetic fingertips), and his right ear is cut off as well, and a scar running along his face, from the left side of his forehead across his left eye and down to his mouth (but he still got both his eyes safe and sound). He prefers to wear a full plate mail armor made of dark steel, almost black along with a red cape, and a black helm which covers his entire head, with a face plate that resembles the face of a howling man with the teeth of a large carnivore; only his eyes and mouth are left freely. His hair is black and cut short, his eyes are brown.
Background: Dankell’s early years are shrouded in mystery and he hasn’t earned much attention until in an earlier period of the Midland-Tudor war, he raised a band of mercenaries known as the Legion of Carnage, similar in caliber to the old Band of the Hawk, except its members were really hardcore bastards. He led a successful campaign against Midland on his own and attained the rank of Great General, but both the king and the nobility felt that he was too ambitious and wished to remove him (for good reason, because Dankell indeed wanted to claim the throne of Tudor, one way or another so he could crush Midland himself and unite the two countries). Their attemps failed one after another for various reasons. In the end, they persuaded one of Dankell’s sub-commanders to charge him with false crimes in public and declare a vendetta against him, all this in return of the title of General and a big load of gold. Dankell got rid of the guy, but it was too late. Neither Tudor or Midland wanted his services anymore, and the Legion of Carnage was mostly destroyed or disbanded. When the Band of the Hawk captured Doldrey, he made notice of their potential and wanted to meet up with them, but in the end, he couldn’t because they got screwed sooner than Dankell could contact them. When he was about to give up hope, acknowledging that the world’s social order can’t be changed so easily, he heard of Griffith’s return and the re-formed Band of the Hawk. Inspired again, he started to gather an army of his own, willing to meet the Hawk of Light, either as kindred spirits, or opponents clashing in the field of murder.
Personality: both towards his allies and foes, Dankell is a cold, strict and violent person who keeps things running by means of agression and intimidation if he has to. But those who get close to him realize that deep inside, he cares a lot for his men (on his own way) and from time to time, he displays a strong sense of comradeship, as well as respect for worthy advesaries. It is not rare that after a bloody battle, he lets the captured soldiers flee freely or even assimilate them into his own band if he sees them fit for the purpose. His ambition is to claim a kingdom on his own and establish "order" in the world, creating a society where not birthrights and corruption but personal skills and intentions decide the fate of individuals.
Combat Style: Dankell is very powerful (almost as strong as Guts). and while his armor looks pretty heavy, it is actually made from a unique combiantion of different metals which is relatively light yet durable, so it doesn’t limit his movement too much while it can endure all but the strongest blows. His cape has metal filaments woven into it, which make it a bit shiny and heavier than usual, but more importantly, capable to stop arrows and bolts fired from longer distances (but can’t resist projectiles fired/thrown from close distance). He prefers to fight in melee, albeit he also has a small crossbow. Once in the thick of the fray, he employs a weapon similar to an Aztec sword (except it’s made of solid steel rather than wood and obsidian), which can be used both for slashing and bashing, named „The Iron Fist”. He can use this weapon either with one or both hands. The Iron Fist also has a little spike poking out of the bottom of the handle, covered by a cap. Unknown to many, the handle part itself is a little container filled with a weird potion made of various plants and mushrooms; if facing overwhelming odds, Dankell takes the cap off the spike and stings the spike into his own flesh, letting the potion flow into his body, then places the cap back. Within a matter of moments, he goes berserk (similarly to the effect of the Berserker Armor, though less extreme). In this state, his eyes turn bloody red and he can rip even lesser Apostles apart with ease (but is still inferior to greater Apostles like Zodd, or Guts in his Berserker Armor), though he becomes completely exhausted afterwards. Often, Dankell also carries a shield with him, but the shield is always different because it usually gets broken in the thick of battle. He's a decent rider as well, though he likes to fight on foot better. Last, but not least, Dankell is nearly immune to many kinds of poisons, possibly a postive side-effect of the weird potion he uses.

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So, like 'em guys ?  :lol:
« Last Edit: October 26, 2009, 04:06:24 PM by MorrisB »
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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2009, 06:00:30 PM »
No, not really...

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2009, 06:07:00 PM »
I could use Dankell certainly as a lord for the male/female kingdom.  But the other two are messed up even by Berserk standards.  The twins idea is kinda neat but the rest just ehh...
The code of honor sounds interesting and it would add flavour to the mod, if it can be implemented.

The new fiction characters are certainly well made (especially the first one)! But I myself prefer the original characters of berserk, some might or not like the new characters, but that is the mod maker's decision to add or not the new characters.

EDIT: It seems I have encountered a big problem, in the Batzuzo duel, I don't take damage neither does Batzuzo... so the duel never ends and I can't continue the story forward. Help would be appreciated.
You need to download BerserkData from the bugs and glitch page.  Full instructions to fixing the problem are there as well.

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Re: The Masterful Suggestions
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2009, 06:18:20 PM »
But the other two are messed up even by Berserk standards.  The twins idea is kinda neat but the rest just ehh...

Oh Twin Incestual Lovers who met again when one was forced to Rape the other sounds suitably GRIMDARK for Berserk, I just don't like the other guy.
It's all those qualities which are described something like Gut's but 'not quite as strong, really'.
I might be a little overcritical but I don't like the kind of OC who doesn't gel well with the series they are being inserted into, and those who are a little too 'Original Character'.

And I forgot to ask before, but Morris do you mean a weapon like this?
http://www.precolumbianweapons.com/swords.htm#
Just wanted to be sure what you were describing.
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