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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 08:03:14 PM »
I don't think the issue was how many they could physically carry :lol:

I think that is the issue. How many arrows should there be in a M&B quiver for your archers to take into battle?

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 08:05:33 PM »
I think that is the issue.
That's what wagons are for. Or pack horses. As for M&B, well, I can think of worse problems than what weight to give a bag of arrows.

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2008, 08:08:48 PM »
I don't like my archers running out of arrows in middle of a battle. I've always wrestled with the issue of modifiying quivers to a reasonable amount of arrows to give them, and the weight associated with it. This is a huge problem without a hold fire command and the archers' love of shooting corpses.

Oh I'm sorry, the correct answer is "naggers". "Naggers".

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2008, 08:11:31 PM »
I don't like my archers running out of arrows in middle of a battle. I've always wrestled with the issue of modifiying quivers to a reasonable amount of arrows to give them, and the weight associated with it. This is a huge problem without a hold fire command and the archers' love of shooting corpses.

Considering the fact that most archers in M&B are not heavily armored, I doubt 5lb is going to make that much difference. I mean, it's not like they are running around all the time.

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2008, 08:16:33 PM »
10 pounds actually, assuming a low estimate of 1000 grains per arrow... though the outcome is much the same.
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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2008, 08:30:43 PM »
The largest leather quivers I've found for sale (http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/Archery_Accessories.html) hold in excess of 30 arrows. I've always modded my quivers to 30-36 arrows, with a correspondng proportional weight increase. But if they carry 10 pounds, then I can give them a lot more:  46 assuming 1500 grains each, or 70 at 1000 grains each

A problem is that I don't think M&B lowers the quiver weight as you shoot off arrows, so your archers are effiectively gimped in melee because of the encumbrance. Thankfully, they're squaring off against some throroughly punctured enemies.

Oh I'm sorry, the correct answer is "naggers". "Naggers".

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2008, 08:40:05 PM »
You can't reasonably fit 70 arrows into a quiver, no matter the weight. It's just too large and bulky. A stationary archer could have had that many but imagine trying to prance about in M&B style with 70 arrows on your back. It's not the weight, it's the bulk.
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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2008, 08:45:45 PM »
I'll just have them carry these:
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Oh I'm sorry, the correct answer is "naggers". "Naggers".

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2008, 09:18:17 PM »
Or perhaps carry more than one quiver?
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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2008, 09:31:55 PM »
In real life, maybe. But in M&B you would use up a another weapon slot. So for imagination's sake, my archers will be carrying one big ass arrow backpack-basket

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2008, 07:19:12 PM »
Or perhaps carry more than one quiver?

Preposterous. Where ya gonna put it, on yer leg? Waddlin' around with yer bastard sword, 7000000 arrows, and coat o' plates. Bah. Use one arrow and just stab 'em all in the eyes.
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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2008, 07:28:38 PM »
Or perhaps carry more than one quiver?

Preposterous. Where ya gonna put it, on yer leg? Waddlin' around with yer bastard sword, 7000000 arrows, and coat o' plates. Bah. Use one arrow and just stab 'em all in the eyes.
Yes, actually.  Last I heard, a quiver on the side was standard for war quivers, while the stereotypical back bag was used for hunting. 

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2008, 07:41:11 PM »
Yes, actually.  Last I heard, a quiver on the side was standard for war quivers, while the stereotypical back bag was used for hunting. 

That's not exactly on yer leg :wink: but basically true, from what I understand.
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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2008, 08:23:19 PM »
I know I've used these before, but I'm using them again to illustrate why you can't carry too many arrows in a quiver. The first 2 show mannequins kitted out as a 15th century Turkish horse archer and 17th century Mughul (Indian) horse archer. The last 2 show a reenactor kitted out as a 17th century Mughul horse archer:



BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch.

ARTHUR: A scratch? Your arm's off.

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Re: Historically accurate amount of arrows?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2008, 08:35:10 PM »
I don't see how that proves you can't carry a lot of arrows. If anything, you'd be able to carry more quivers on a horse by securing it to the saddle instead of on your person.

Oh I'm sorry, the correct answer is "naggers". "Naggers".