Identification of a sword

[Cymro]

Alright, Sage's Guild, I need you to identify (if possible, or even plausible) where and when the sword  in this sketch came from (click to enlarge):



Why am I asking? Well, this sword, along with a portrait of an 1140s knight called Rhys ap Gruffydd will be painted onto the side of a portacabin in the castle that I volunteer in. I get a feeling that the sword shown in this picture isn't:

a) From the period
or
b) From a Welsh/British swordsmith (and being a devout Welshman, I doubt Sir Rhys would have wanted a norman sword )


I'm not entirely sure how easy it would be to guess when/where the sword is from, seeing as how it's only the hilt and a part of the blade, and as it isn't coloured in. If anyone can do this, I'd be very grateful.

[Gculk]

Late, it looks to me as a later two-hander.

[Raz]

1140? The sword's blade is way too thin to be 1140. I'd say late 13th/14th century.

[James]

As would I.

[Drizzt]

Maybe a bit like this one?

[Gculk]

Nope.


A straight edged version of those flamberges, about 15th century.

[kaiserbill]

the blade appears way too thin to be of any length for an early period.  Perhaps it is some kind of dagger.  More broadly than that, who made this sketch? I assume its a contemporary one - it certainly looks like it.  I am rather left with thie view its a modern artists concept of a swor, and therefore comes with the hallmarks of TV high-fantasy.  One thing is for sure, 1100s British metalurgy would not produce a blade that thin of any length unless it was designed expressly to shatter upon use.  The steel just aint up to the job.

[Eogan]

Late, it looks to me as a later two-hander.

Umm.. what pic are YOU looking at?  The hilt is nowhere NEAR that long.

Anyways, it looks like a modern interpretation of a period sword, but there are several inconsistencies.  The blade is too thin;  as it matches the width of the hilt so precisely, I suspect the artist doesn't know how a tang works.  The hilt is also rather long for a one-hander.  The typology seems to closest match a type XVa, which is late 13th-15th.

If the artist broadened the blade, added a single, broad fuller, and shortened the handle, it could pass for a type Xa.  Any one of these could pass as a model, really:


What styles did the Welsh use in that period?  Would it be a norse-inspired type X?

[Gculk]

Late, it looks to me as a later two-hander.

Umm.. what pic are YOU looking at?  The hilt is nowhere NEAR that long.

Obviously not that one 

Eogan is right, I am an idiot, the guard reminded me of later styles and I have never seen that type of guard on any older styles.

[Llew]

Also, those round things at the ends of the cross guard aren't seen that much pre-13 century, at least as far as I know.

[Merlkir]

as someone pointed out already, the blade is too thin to be anyting but a ceremonial sword..or maybe aluminium movie prop from the Vikings

[Cymro]

Thanks, I'd better point this out to the artist. It looked about the length of the "sword" in Mount&Blade, so it cannot be a dagger.

Eogan: I think they may have used a version of the "U" shaped Celtic guard, although the Viking, Saxon and Norman invasions may have caused a fair bit of change.


But thanks for pointing this out. You all could well have saved the volunteers group a half tin of paint

[Rameusb5]

Does that line on the blade represent a fuller?

If not, then I think it might be a type XV or XVIII.

Does the blade have a triangular shape?  Or does it have a somewhat rounded point?

In any case, these types of swords occur well after the 12th century.

A picture of the entire blade would be more useful than the pommel.  Blade shape and attributes would be more useful to identify.