what is " a page in nobleman's court"

[NikeBG]

In Turkey older people usually call small children by shouting at them as "gel lan buraya piç!". It's some kind of "come here you little devil!".

I was asking more in the line of "How would you explain that the Bulgarian word "pich" got the meaning of "cool dude", instead of its original "bastard" (considering the Turkish words are always the originals)?"

[mikkel the great]

thanks alot, ill choose "lord's servant", also another question, what is a troberadur (i think mispelled its something in character creation too)

Very very basicly, a bloke who plays music.

[Rallix]

Troubadours were traveling musicians. Basically, they're like the equivalent of one of those street hobos who is really good(or not) at some kind of musical act.

[Gambino]

thanks alot rallix and mikkel, so a street musician can replace it?

[Rallix]

thanks alot rallix and mikkel, so a street musician can replace it?

I suppose.

[ancalimon]

In Turkey older people usually call small children by shouting at them as "gel lan buraya piç!". It's some kind of "come here you little devil!".

I was asking more in the line of "How would you explain that the Bulgarian word "pich" got the meaning of "cool dude", instead of its original "bastard" (considering the Turkish words are always the originals)?"

"piç" is used as a "cool dude" in Turkish too..  That happens in languages.

For example you can hear people talking about a man who is very successful with women by calling him: "adam tam piç" meaning "he is very cool and successful with women"

[Ule]

thanks alot rallix and mikkel, so a street musician can replace it?

minstrel, is a better choice.

and theres nothing wrong with page boy, we use them at weddings, just ignore turk turk, his words are tainted. and if im honest lords servant as as a role name is kinda dumb, squire is also a term for a page boy, if you really must hide the page boy name.

[ancalimon]

thanks alot rallix and mikkel, so a street musician can replace it?

minstrel, is a better choice.

and theres nothing wrong with page boy, we use them at weddings, just ignore turk turk, his words are tainted. and if im honest lords servant as as a role name is kinda dumb, squire is also a term for a page boy, if you really must hide the page boy name.

ezik er (squire) : lowly soldier  (English "ire" < Turkic "er")
saldır (soldier) : attack!   (English  "ier"  < Turkic "ır")
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minstrel from Turkic "manaas".   Mana: meaning, creator, reason, explanation, interpretation   AS: highly    definitely related to this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Manas

[mikkel the great]

thanks alot rallix and mikkel, so a street musician can replace it?

minstrel, is a better choice.

and theres nothing wrong with page boy, we use them at weddings, just ignore turk turk, his words are tainted. and if im honest lords servant as as a role name is kinda dumb, squire is also a term for a page boy, if you really must hide the page boy name.

I belive he was just translating.... But squire is not exactly a page. At all as a matter of fact.

[Skot the Sanguine]

In Turkey older people usually call small children by shouting at them as "gel lan buraya piç!". It's some kind of "come here you little devil!".

I was asking more in the line of "How would you explain that the Bulgarian word "pich" got the meaning of "cool dude", instead of its original "bastard" (considering the Turkish words are always the originals)?"

"piç" is used as a "cool dude" in Turkish too..  That happens in languages.

"Dude" in English comes from the butthair of a cow.  It was a joking name that stuck...trying to figure out the context....actually don't bother, it is irrelevant to this topic.

[Ule]

thanks alot rallix and mikkel, so a street musician can replace it?

minstrel, is a better choice.

and theres nothing wrong with page boy, we use them at weddings, just ignore turk turk, his words are tainted. and if im honest lords servant as as a role name is kinda dumb, squire is also a term for a page boy, if you really must hide the page boy name.

I belive he was just translating.... But squire is not exactly a page. At all as a matter of fact.

pages ran messages and other low household jobs and squires looked after, armour, horses and other misc needs for thier boss men. so in mount and blade a squire is a more relevant term/name/role than a page boy

[MadVader]

In Turkey older people usually call small children by shouting at them as "gel lan buraya piç!". It's some kind of "come here you little devil!".

I was asking more in the line of "How would you explain that the Bulgarian word "pich" got the meaning of "cool dude", instead of its original "bastard" (considering the Turkish words are always the originals)?"

"piç" is used as a "cool dude" in Turkish too..  That happens in languages.

"Dude" in English comes from the butthair of a cow.  It was a joking name that stuck...trying to figure out the context....actually don't bother, it is irrelevant to this topic.

"Dude" means "bagpipes" in Slovenian. So that's where it all came from, trust me on this one.
It can also mean "tits" if you are looking, pointing or holding ones.

[ancalimon]

In Turkey older people usually call small children by shouting at them as "gel lan buraya piç!". It's some kind of "come here you little devil!".

I was asking more in the line of "How would you explain that the Bulgarian word "pich" got the meaning of "cool dude", instead of its original "bastard" (considering the Turkish words are always the originals)?"

"piç" is used as a "cool dude" in Turkish too..  That happens in languages.

"Dude" in English comes from the butthair of a cow.  It was a joking name that stuck...trying to figure out the context....actually don't bother, it is irrelevant to this topic.

"Dude" means "bagpipes" in Slovenian. So that's where it all came from, trust me on this one.
It can also mean "tits" if you are looking, pointing or holding ones.

That's the sound bagpipes make... düt.

[NikeBG]

ezik er (squire) : lowly soldier  (English "ire" < Turkic "er")

No, you're wrong here. "Ezik" on Bulgarian (and all Slavic languages, I think (which are, of course, all Turkic in origin, so the example fits)) means "language", so in that respect it means "speaking soldier". But in old-Bulgarian the same word, besides language, also meant "people, nation", so there you go - "national soldier". Much better than a lowly soldier, if you ask me.

As for the bagpipes - strange, we use "gaida", similar to the Spanish "gaita". We have another musical instrument though, called duduk, which, of course, is also a Turkish word (and, heck, even Wiki agrees this time).

[ancalimon]

ezik er (squire) : lowly soldier  (English "ire" < Turkic "er")

No, you're wrong here. "Ezik" on Bulgarian (and all Slavic languages, I think (which are, of course, all Turkic in origin, so the example fits)) means "language", so in that respect it means "speaking soldier". But in old-Bulgarian the same word, besides language, also meant "people, nation", so there you go - "national soldier". Much better than a lowly soldier, if you ask me.

As for the bagpipes - strange, we use "gaida", similar to the Spanish "gaita". We have another musical instrument though, called duduk, which, of course, is also a Turkish word (and, heck, even Wiki agrees this time).

The Bulgarian (and other Slavic languages) word  comes from  Turkic sentence AĞIZIK meaning "We are called speech, mouth, parlance".

It's not much better than lowly soldier because... Well a squire IS a lowly soldier to start with.

The old Bulgarian word for nation-people apparently is related with OĞUZUK meaning "we are a nation".  Just like Greek "Oguruk<OgurOguz~Ogurukuz~" meaning "we are a nation" who were a coalition of both Ogur and Oguz.  Actually and funnily enough, the word in its original form still exist in Turkish in the form of "KIRO". http://www.seslisozluk.net/?ssQBy=0&word=k%C4%B1ro

It's mainly because the Oguz saw the Ogur as unsophisticated, lazy peasants. Not all of them were at each others throats though.  The Greeks and also Bulgarians belong to the same nation as the Turks of today.

The Bulgarian word might have been "esik" roughly meaning "we exist" as well. It means other things as well but the context would be hard to comprehend.