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A Song of Ice and Fire
« on: May 14, 2007, 04:19:28 AM »
I did a search, and discovered that there wasn't a thread dedicated to this book series. I just bought A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, and A Feast of Crows from Barnes and Noble for about $34 dollers. I'm about 61 pages into A Game of Thrones. Please, discuss, but don't give away any spoilers, and if you must, put a warning. Kthxbai.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 04:39:01 AM »
******** awesome.  That is all.  Also, too many people pissed off Martin on his livejournal, so no periodic updates.  All we'll get is the announcement that its done.

Also, a plug for another forum dedicated to the series.  Its active and full of nice, mature people, found at asoiaf.westeros.org.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 05:07:31 AM »
So, the series ends at A Feast of Crows, or is there going to be another book?
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 05:13:06 AM »
So, the series ends at A Feast of Crows, or is there going to be another book?
Three more are planned:  A Dance with Dragons, The Winds of Winter, and A Dream of Spring.  However, Martin's been known to expand his books (aDwD and aFfC were originally planned to be the same book), so we'll see.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 05:42:56 AM »
So, the series ends at A Feast of Crows, or is there going to be another book?
Three more are planned:  A Dance with Dragons, The Winds of Winter, and A Dream of Spring.  However, Martin's been known to expand his books (aDwD and aFfC were originally planned to be the same book), so we'll see.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 01:02:45 PM »
Unless the fat **** dies of a heart attack first.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 11:38:28 PM »
Average to excellent series. Has its highs and lows. Almost unparallelled in ambition and scale at both micro (excellent characterisation) and macro (societal) levels. GRRM isn't much of a stylist, but for the volume and detail of work he produces he is a decent enough writer.

Pity it's being made into a TV series. They'll probably cast some prettyboy as Jon Snow and give him an tear-shield and eyeliner. Well, he's already wearing black, why not go all the way?

Jaime and Tyrion are my favourite characters, absolutely brilliant.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 12:55:28 AM »
They better not, Jon is one of my favorite characters. Get your hate mail ready!

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2007, 06:54:19 AM »
Average to excellent series. Has its highs and lows. Almost unparallelled in ambition and scale at both micro (excellent characterisation) and macro (societal) levels. GRRM isn't much of a stylist, but for the volume and detail of work he produces he is a decent enough writer.

Strangely enough, I must agree. While the plot, the characters and the setting are absolutely beyond comparison IMO, I am not too fond of GRRM's style. His usage of archaic phrases often strikes me as contrived. This is the first time I consciously decided to read the translated version of a book rather than the original. I firmly believe in the superiority of original material, but in this case the Dutch translation is vastly better, at least IMO. The translator is not only a professional writer herself, but also a historian specialised in the Middle Ages. I can't really give you any specific examples, but when I read an excerpt from A Feast for Crows on GRRM's site I was thoroughly disappointed; I literally had to force myself to continue reading. When I eventually read the Dutch translation, I was quite surprised at how enjoyable that chapter was. Go figure!

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Pity it's being made into a TV series. They'll probably cast some prettyboy as Jon Snow and give him an tear-shield and eyeliner. Well, he's already wearing black, why not go all the way?

Don't forget that the show is being made by/for HBO. These folks have a reputation for NOT ******** up. I doubt they will cast some prettyboy as Jon, seeing as Jon isn't supposed to be some super-handsome hunk (despite what all the fan art may suggest...). I really hope they take the Rome-route and use semi-obscure British actors. That worked out pretty well previously.

Incidentally, there is an "ideal ASOIAF cast list" floating around teh interwebs. Ridiculous as it may be (John Malkovich as Roose Bolton, Christopher Walken as an Other...), I must agree with Jack Davenport as Eddard Stark. That long face - perfect.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2007, 02:52:46 PM »
Average to excellent series. Has its highs and lows. Almost unparallelled in ambition and scale at both micro (excellent characterisation) and macro (societal) levels. GRRM isn't much of a stylist, but for the volume and detail of work he produces he is a decent enough writer.

Strangely enough, I must agree. While the plot, the characters and the setting are absolutely beyond comparison IMO, I am not too fond of GRRM's style. His usage of archaic phrases often strikes me as contrived. This is the first time I consciously decided to read the translated version of a book rather than the original. I firmly believe in the superiority of original material, but in this case the Dutch translation is vastly better, at least IMO. The translator is not only a professional writer herself, but also a historian specialised in the Middle Ages. I can't really give you any specific examples, but when I read an excerpt from A Feast for Crows on GRRM's site I was thoroughly disappointed; I literally had to force myself to continue reading. When I eventually read the Dutch translation, I was quite surprised at how enjoyable that chapter was. Go figure!

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Pity it's being made into a TV series. They'll probably cast some prettyboy as Jon Snow and give him an tear-shield and eyeliner. Well, he's already wearing black, why not go all the way?

Don't forget that the show is being made by/for HBO. These folks have a reputation for NOT ******** up. I doubt they will cast some prettyboy as Jon, seeing as Jon isn't supposed to be some super-handsome hunk (despite what all the fan art may suggest...). I really hope they take the Rome-route and use semi-obscure British actors. That worked out pretty well previously.

Incidentally, there is an "ideal ASOIAF cast list" floating around teh interwebs. Ridiculous as it may be (John Malkovich as Roose Bolton, Christopher Walken as an Other...), I must agree with Jack Davenport as Eddard Stark. That long face - perfect.

Interesting about the Dutch translation. While GRRM has a fondness for archaic sayings, he also has a bit of an anachronistic Stephen King best seller style going on, although quite subtly. I don't have copies of the books here, so I can't offer examples. I suppose it is more of a feeling that I get while reading him than anything really concrete. The same could be said of his spiritual predecessor - Sharon K. Penman. Not that it really bothers me. He also isn't much of a word slinger, but that's good, considering the form of the books.

I'm not really familiar with HBO, cos I don't watch TV really. I suppose I have an automatic bias against adaptations of fantasy series and computer games. I have no idea how bad (possibly good?) Hitman and Elric of Melnibone will with be!

As far as casting goes... - not sure, for some reason no actors really spring to mind when I think of ASOIAF. Davenport would be excellent (visually) as Eddard. James Mcavoy would make a good Theon Greyjoy, I think. http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2006/09/james-mcavoy-interview-magazine.jpg
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 03:22:09 PM »
Haha, ironically enough he was 'cast' as Littlefinger. I thought he would suit the role quite well.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2007, 04:48:03 PM »
They shoud cast Ian McKellen.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 01:20:13 AM »
They shoud cast Ian McKellen.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2007, 01:22:16 AM »
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2007, 03:38:32 AM »
Also, a plug for another forum dedicated to the series.  Its active and full of nice, mature people, found at asoiaf.westeros.org.

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