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Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« on: June 02, 2012, 04:43:47 PM »
Robert Miller, a resident of the District of Columbia, called a Veteran Help Line to ask for advice with sleeping and avoiding nightmares. The woman on the line asked him if he owned guns. When she found out he did, she repeatedly told him to "put the gun down", and he repeatedly responded "I'm not holding a gun." Eventually, he got frustrated and hung up - she responded by immediately calling D.C. police and telling them there was a veteran with a gun in his lap who was about to kill himself. D.C. SWAT then blockaded his street and several teams moved into the apartment building and removed residents from the home, despite their repeated statements that SGT Miller was not dangerous or suicidal. They then awoke Miller, forced him to go outside, and arrested him (without reading him his Miranda rights or charging him) and began interrogating him.

When he refused to hand over his apartment key and give them permission to enter his residence, the police responded with "I don’t have time to play this constitutional bullshit with you" and broke down his door (without having a search warrant) and began searching his apartment. The end result was destruction of his apartment and a lot of his property, confiscation of his firearms, in addition to throwing the guy in prison.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/may/23/miller-iraq-vet-brutalized-over-guns-dc/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/2012/may/28/miller-swat-rampage-destroys-iraq-vets-home-over-g/

Now, for me, I don't particularly want to emphasize the fact that he's a veteran, but more the fact that the police went to such ridiculous extremes against anyone. It seriously pisses me off, at least - while I normally have respect for cops, these guys were seriously out of control, especially in that with a person who willingly surrendered, they immediately violated pretty much all due process laws. Oh, and in their after-action report? They reported a perfect success and recommended no change to tactical plans.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 04:49:18 PM »
Since the American police are usually stereotyped as Facist anti-plebian arseholes which act like more of a private military for the state/corporations than a service for the country, this is par for the course.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 05:02:26 PM »
Women. :x

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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 05:08:04 PM »
Since the American police are usually stereotyped as Facist anti-plebian arseholes which act like more of a private military for the state/corporations than a service for the country, this is par for the course.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 05:16:48 PM »
God-damnit.
It should have taken a few moments to be sorted out, yet it's still being settled two years after the fact.

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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 05:23:49 PM »
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 06:00:24 PM »
Not to mention that while he was in jail they changed his name and birth date so none could find him. What, you don't like your new world order? Here, drink more fluoride and have some GMO that should make you feel better.

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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 06:04:50 PM »
@Godfrey, no they didn't, no they don't.

@ actual topic; Investigations required, preferably leading to the dismissal of all those in the wrong.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 06:06:41 PM »
Don't forget drawing the damages from the dismissed personnels' pension funds.

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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 06:28:46 PM »
... forced him to go outside, and arrested him (without reading him his Miranda rights or charging him) and began interrogating him.

When he refused to hand over his apartment key and give them permission to enter his residence, the police responded with "I don’t have time to play this constitutional bullshit with you" and broke down his door (without having a search warrant) and began searching his apartment.

Two things: You don't need to read the person his Miranda rights to arrest him, or do a field interview. It's when you do an interrogation. We don't know if it was a field interview or interrogation. If it was an interrogation well, the whole case against the veteran would have been thrown out the window by any competent captain.

I find the whole affair, quite sad though. Then again the DC police are always on a edge because they have to protect a lot of important people. If you want some to blame, I would say the person on that he called. I think he didn't realize it was a suicide hotline, (because it wasn't advertized as one. In other states it is a place a veteran can call and just talk to someone about anything.) and so the person automatically assumed he was suicidal. I don't know the suicide laws in DC, but it could have gave the officers probable cause to enter and search the house. I don't think that is the case though. Officers even with a warrant and probably cause to enter, will try to enter and search with consent. Makes it easier legally. But they blew the whole thing. Because with most departments you can do a search of the immediate area in an incident like this, and a search of the suspect arrested, but not a full search of their house. I do think the officers involved handled it very badly.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2012, 08:58:50 PM »
I don't know the suicide laws in DC, but it could have gave the officers probable cause to enter and search the house.
It does. It also means the suspect would be considered mentally incapable. Since he was arrested he presumably did something stupid the report doesn't include.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2012, 09:05:33 PM »
They should throw her monkey ass in jail.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2012, 09:27:49 PM »
Not to mention that while he was in jail they changed his name and birth date so none could find him. What, you don't like your new world order? Here, drink more fluoride and have some GMO that should make you feel better.

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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2012, 09:48:11 PM »

Then again the DC police are always on a edge because they have to protect a lot of important people.

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't live anywhere near DC.
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Re: Citizen attacked by D.C. police
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2012, 09:49:07 PM »
Shhhhh, they're there as a diversion! They're there so people believe you're there too!