MM or NW

[Balexander]

Napoleonic wars is clearly better than the MM mod 

The cannon and bayonet system has been improved
and just looks hammer.
Simply put, it is an Excellent game 

[lord_olafson]

Might I remember you guys, that we had a vote for overhead stabs and you all voted for it ?

I am quite confused to see that you dislike whatever we changed on the melee system, if you voted for it or not... It just does not make any sense.

So next time we just won't change it at all, becouse votes do not catch the majoritys will? That would be stupid.. Sorry about that, but I really really do not understand you.
We changed it to your liking and now you are complaining. As vince already said, I think the problem is, that you simply dislike whatever we changed...

[rejenorst]

I don't think anyone dislikes it as such (or very few people), the most complaints I've seen have been leveled at its reach/power rather than its inclusion. I love overheads they are the great equalizer

[Kipsleverworst]

Graphics very good , but I have FPS lag, which I didn't had in MM.
Muskets look great but, reload speed is to fast.
All new players shoot only, I get shot a lot.
Melee is good since I use sword as commander, but bayonet overstab to strong.
Maps to bushy, but is adventage as light infantry.
Cavalry very nice looking, but to slow.
People are taking musican to only play music and waste a lot of time.
Some battle maps are really nice, but some are to big (Ardennes).
At linebattles you cant kill all people because bayonet overstab is to overpowered.

Typed in telegram-style, because i'm on mobile.
For the rest the game is awesome;-)

[Balexander]

So I'm happy with what you have changed their

[Kator Viridian]

Might I remember you guys, that we had a vote for overhead stabs and you all voted for it ?

I am quite confused to see that you dislike whatever we changed on the melee system, if you voted for it or not... It just does not make any sense.

So next time we just won't change it at all, becouse votes do not catch the majoritys will? That would be stupid.. Sorry about that, but I really really do not understand you.
We changed it to your liking and now you are complaining. As vince already said, I think the problem is, that you simply dislike whatever we changed...

"Well I didn't vote for you!" - Dennis's Mother, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

But on a serious note I must of been out of the office I call my bedroom that day. Overhead stab dosn't bother me at all ... makes me feint more now which is what I need to practise in Native ... but would still prefer the overhead slam to the skull.

Your using "You" like you know exactly how that person voted, what if they voted for no ... are they still in the "You" or the "They"?

But anywho....

I don't think anyone dislikes it as such (or very few people), the most complaints I've seen have been leveled at its reach/power rather than its inclusion. I love overheads they are the great equalizer

Still funny to feint your way across the battlefield or doing the right step stab through a server ... ah the new and old days ... such joy

[rejenorst]

I find feints (as they currently are) rather annoying... and dishonorable... Lol I jest I just suck at dealing with feinters to the point were I no longer bother to block much and just side step and stab to get it in first..... 

[Kator Viridian]

I find feints (as they currently are) rather annoying... and dishonorable... Lol I jest I just suck at dealing with feinters to the point were I no longer bother to block much and just side step and stab to get it in first..... 

I go by the rule of stab first ask questions later, if a feinter is going for me if you hit him first you've won, so if you know he will feint you jab ... he gets a nasty blow whilst your laugh at him fall flat on his face.

I don't block at all ... I go for lucky/timed chambers and getting my stab in first, or letting the enemy walk into my thrust ... which is quite funny ... oh and dodging, so much easier to dodge bayonetes in NW than Native ... Native has a horrible hammerhead spear thing going where it still hits you to the left and right of the spear head that would miss in NW.

Also jsut found this I remembered:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m746lj90izs

About 2:40 shows the sort of armour used at Agincourt before the specially hardened steel of Verneuil. I did get my ranges wrong and Longbows were only head on effective at just 20m against plate armour ... but chainmail stood little chances at longer ranges.

[rejenorst]

Yeah definitely, it also keeps the bugger busy with having to actually block or commit to a counter blow.

[Celtichugs]

Napoleonic Wars is better, ofcourse.. Gameplay and graphics. Though, it's not drastically better than Mount & Musket. M&M was a tremendous acheivement and no matter how great the DLC becomes, it cannot take away from the fact that M&M was a mod that punched well above it's weight!

[DarkOmega]

MM i seem to get shot more in this mod 

[Hekko]

I miss the melee gameplay of MM. Most of the rest of the game (graphics, atmosphere etc) is better, but now that a lot of these things are wearing off, I realise more and more that it's the core melee that I truly enjoyed. I think the overhead stab needs some tweaks and the turning speed needs a little increase in order to bring back the competitiveness of melee. MM was the best game I've ever played, NW could replace it if melee was addressed.
 
Evan

+1

I think it's unfair to say that MM is better, since overall I find NW alot better and more polished, but for melee it certainly has been a step in the wrong direction (this far).

[Vorlen]

Might I remember you guys, that we had a vote for overhead stabs and you all voted for it ?

I am quite confused to see that you dislike whatever we changed on the melee system, if you voted for it or not... It just does not make any sense.

So next time we just won't change it at all, becouse votes do not catch the majoritys will? That would be stupid.. Sorry about that, but I really really do not understand you.
We changed it to your liking and now you are complaining. As vince already said, I think the problem is, that you simply dislike whatever we changed...

I didn't vote (Although, granted i would have voted yes at the time had i known about this poll), but seeing how in general the Dev's seem to not care about about anyone's criticism of things that most people agree are fucked i won't care to try to be diplomatic.

Next time when people vote for changes, do them well or don't bother, test them properly, and make sure it works without glitches. There hasn't been a single "We are looking into this, thanks guys for your feedback" And it's quite clear that more than a vocal minority have issues with NW's melee.

All I have seen so far is the issue being publicly ignored and then when you finally get around to talking about it, this...

NW is not competitive? 

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It is actually quite better balanced, the bayonet is still as powerfull as MM, just you have more options now. 

In all essence, people don't like change, and I would hardly call our combat system anything like WFAS, or mainstream.

... Is the kind of reply we get. 13e team won the melee tourny again, like they usually do, the landscape of "good" players hasn't changed much, shifted a few points either way for a couple of people, but nothing drastic. Doesn't change that melee  at the high end of the game is worse and less fun. "More balanced" just says "dumbed down and glitchy" to me.

And no this isn't an "YOU BROKE MY GAME DEVS I HATES U", as i said in another post, i'm playing native these days when i play at all, you can do as you like with NW.

But i bought it, and my opinion is that it's pretty arrogant of you to absolutely ignore such a large collection of esteemed veterans who contributed alot to this community, probably proving a good portion of the community foundation that has allowed you to sell this as a DLC. Players like Ward, Chibbi, Evan etc, etc (The list goes on and on).

Genuinly reads like a big "**** you" in my eyes.

[WaffleBorn]

There is absolutely no question, MM is good but NW is everything that MM couldn't be and more.

[Daniel.]

... Is the kind of reply we get. 13e team won the melee tourny again, like they usually do, the landscape of "good" players hasn't changed much, shifted a few points either way for a couple of people, but nothing drastic. Doesn't change that melee  at the high end of the game is worse and less fun. "More balanced" just says "dumbed down and glitchy" to me.

And no this isn't an "YOU BROKE MY GAME DEVS I HATES U", as i said in another post, i'm playing native these days when i play at all, you can do as you like with NW.

But i bought it, and my opinion is that it's pretty arrogant of you to absolutely ignore such a large collection of esteemed veterans who contributed alot to this community, probably proving a good portion of the community foundation that has allowed you to sell this as a DLC. Players like Ward, Chibbi, Evan etc, etc (The list goes on and on).

Genuinly reads like a big "**** you" in my eyes.

Well you have to take into account that the vast majority of players that use the forum like NW more and seeing as they made this game to sell its what the vast majority want not the minority and IMO I would say the melee is much more fun because its more punishing, but that's just me.

If you don't like the game than that's all you, but continually posting here does nothing because they are not going to change the melee system for you and your friends because you don't like it.

Face facts the majority like NW more and as such it would be complete idiocy to change the game to make a small group of people happy.