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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 07:53:27 PM »
I can't notice any difference in accuracy between a musket and a rifle. Saving the reticule and reloading speed, I am nearly sure I can do ten times better with a cavalry musket rather than a rifle though.

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 07:54:49 PM »
I can't notice any difference in accuracy between a musket and a rifle. Saving the reticule and reloading speed, I am nearly sure I can do ten times better with a cavalry musket rather than a rifle though.

Yes, I've tried both extensively, and got many more kills with the cav musket. If you watch the fall of the shot when using a rifle, it does appear to be just as random as a musket. :|

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2012, 12:38:52 AM »
>Yes, I've tried both extensively, and got many more kills with the cav musket. If you watch the fall of the shot when using a rifle, it does appear to be just as random as a musket. :|

ohh trust me after a little practice.. the difference is enormous. Not to mention the bullet drop is much less, which means i can engage enemies at distances with direct fire, where the enemies have to aim wildly over my head, this combined with faster running speed, means if you carefully control the distance of the battle you can clean house. Besides that I would say the rifle is about almost double to 50% better MOA in my experience, although the thing is.. that MOA is useless unless you understand how the rifle is aiming, all the guns in game are predesignated to range, meaning the bullet rises up first before it falls back in line with sights and then steeply declines faster than you would expect. So for the person just guesstimating the aim, it will not make much difference i agree. But after some  practice, and i got to know how many pixels of a  man to aim how high, i am often sniping people across the map, even their heads sometimes, the accuracy is alot better than you could guess, yesterday i got 9 hits in a row with the rifle back to back, that feels incredible when everyone else is missing every shot, watching people drop one by one.. ohh and if you get a rifleman with a n officer that is some seriously deadly firepower. However the one thing that is still very difficult is hitting a  moving target at any range. i think its server lag, but hitting moving target at 5 meters is harder than a stationary one at 100m. Key to good sniping shoot the stationary targets, stay out of bayonette range, never stand still in the open always reload behind cover, stay out of their direct fire range. when possible, use third person to look over bushes where they cant see you but you can see them. Identify your targets before you expose yourself to save time and you dont stand in the open as a target, once you have a target selected, move shoot and scoot, then reload.

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2012, 01:50:54 AM »
I can't notice any difference in accuracy between a musket and a rifle. Saving the reticule and reloading speed, I am nearly sure I can do ten times better with a cavalry musket rather than a rifle though.

Yes, I've tried both extensively, and got many more kills with the cav musket. If you watch the fall of the shot when using a rifle, it does appear to be just as random as a musket. :|
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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 03:18:12 AM »
IIRC Light Infantryman were a bit of a rarity and their training was much more extensive.

I guess it doesn't so much reflect an ability to make the musket ball conform to a tighter cone of fire (though that's a slight effect in NW).. obviously a musket is a musket. It's likely just a balance feature that represents the fact that light infantry were better trained and probably more battle hardened. They'd likely be faster at loading rifles (being better trained) and steadier shots than the average conscript line infantry.

They are more of a skirmish unit, and they do suffer a pretty steep penalty to their polearm skill in turn, while foot guards and infantry receive a polearm bonus. For the record:

Light Inf = Best shooter, Worst melee combatant
Line Inf = Balanced melee and shooting skills
Foot Guard = Worst shooter, Best melee combatant.
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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill as Rifleman
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 04:53:18 AM »
The rifle has more accuracy by itself than the musket. The musket, being inaccurate, requires more skill than a rifleman would need. Thus, although techinically it has more skill, that doesn't make it more accurate.

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2012, 11:41:16 AM »
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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2012, 11:35:38 PM »
What makes the rifleman accurate is his rifle, not necessarily skill, light infantry have to get good because of their smoothbore muskets

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2012, 12:06:51 AM »
What makes the rifleman accurate is his rifle, not necessarily skill, light infantry have to get good because of their smoothbore muskets

I still notice light inf with smooth-bores getting a lot more hits on target, which just doesn't seem right. I personally cannot see an advantage to using a rifle, and the only noticeable difference for me is the somewhat smaller reticle, and longer reload. In every other way it's just as inaccurate (and random) as a musket, even at the closer ranges.

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2012, 04:42:50 AM »
It's probably because of the delay on rifle firing, making the rifle really only useful for shooting targets that are standing still

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Re: Light Infantry has more shooting skill than Rifleman
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2012, 05:11:47 AM »
It's probably because of the delay on rifle firing, making the rifle really only useful for shooting targets that are standing still

That and the lengthy reload time.