very good player, looking to join an NA league

[Urist]

Just taking out the trash.

and i'll duel you, not promising i'll win but i will. what's your steam ID? and if anyone else wants to duel a noob crpg player, just give me your steam

Nvm, didn't see that you are NA while I am EU. Dueling is pointless then.

Also, to all those who want to try out cRPG without complaining about the level difference, try making a skip-the-fun(STF) alt. It directly puts you to (fixed) level 30 with enough gold to get some decent equip. No grind, no leveling. Although you can still complain about loomed stuff then.

[KrunkFu]

it only takes ONE day to get at a level where you are competitive with everyone else on crpg, ONE DAY. and even when another player has an advantage (plate armor+higher level vs light/medium armor+lower level) it just makes it more of a challenge and yes you have to be better than the other person to win, what's wrong with that? can't handle a challenge?

In native it takes you only 0 days to get to a competitive level, so native is clearly better.
And a day is quite a long time in terms of gaming, there are an awful lot of games I can complete entirely in just 1 day, so taking a day to just get to the same level as someone else is a quite a long time, especially if you have other things to do in your life.

And as for a challenge, I prefer my challenges to be something significant, like defeating two equally skilled components on a level playing field. Beating someone in cRPG is just a battle of attrition rather than style or finesse.

native players, enjoy your matches with nothing but cav and ranged lol

Well 2 out of 3 classes isn't bad imo.
but last time I checked infantry were quite prominent in matches, although I must admit I haven't played in any NA matches recently.

native USED to be alright, until cRPG. all the infantry lovers left native for crpg, because no one enjoys dying 9/10 times to ranged and cav rather than good melee fights. if anything there is more "style" in crpg fighting due to it being more controlled, i was dueling someone yesterday in native and if they have good enough ping they can feint spam so fast that they hit you before you even see the swing.. which basically turns it into a fight of random luck. and in crpg its not like you have to just run in and die every round when you start at level 1... all you have to do is pick the unarmored targets to fight. BTW you also proved my point about cRPG haters, you are just too impatient, lazy, and hot-headed to go through the small peasant phase of crpg.  once you hit 30 (takes a few days if you play a lot) then you never have to level again unless you want to waste tons of time getting a weapon with +1 speed and +3 damage.

[KrunkFu]

Just taking out the trash.

and i'll duel you, not promising i'll win but i will. what's your steam ID? and if anyone else wants to duel a noob crpg player, just give me your steam

Nvm, didn't see that you are NA while I am EU. Dueling is pointless then.

Also, to all those who want to try out cRPG without complaining about the level difference, try making a skip-the-fun(STF) alt. It directly puts you to (fixed) level 30 with enough gold to get some decent equip. No grind, no leveling. Although you can still complain about loomed stuff then.

i have played crpg for a LONG time, and i only have one +1 item and i dont even use it. looms are pointless unless you enjoy countless hours of grinding. so yeah, no point in complaining about looms unless you are fighting goretooth (+3 of all the heaviest armor and a +3 weapon) lol.

[KrunkFu]

There is NO way to argue that using your customized megazord to beat up boorish peasants requires more skill than fighting it out on an even playing field.

i never said that... and most the actual good players in crpg dont even bother fighting peasants unless they start attacking them. and like i said it only takes a few hours to get out of being a peasant, and not much more than that to get on par with everyone else.. crpg isn't a grind like a lot of close minded native players believe it to be.. put some time into it and i PROMISE you will like it better than native

[brognar]

Why do you think native tourneys are all cavalry and ranged? All of the scrims I've played have been mostly infantry with cavalry and archers supporting.

An all-cavalry team stands no chance against decent spearmen, and an all-archer team will get rolled over by heavy infantry if unsupported. A combination of both leaves the archers vulnerable to flanking and the cavalry vulnerable to undistracted spearmen.

[groopo]

There is NO way to argue that using your customized megazord to beat up boorish peasants requires more skill than fighting it out on an even playing field.

i never said that... and most the actual good players in crpg dont even bother fighting peasants unless they start attacking them. and like i said it only takes a few hours to get out of being a peasant, and not much more than that to get on par with everyone else.. crpg isn't a grind like a lot of close minded native players believe it to be.. put some time into it and i PROMISE you will like it better than native

The leveling system allows unskilled players to rise above skilled ones who may have spent less time in the game, and assigns them undue tactical power. This profoundly affects the balance of the game in a negative way.

[KrunkFu]

There is NO way to argue that using your customized megazord to beat up boorish peasants requires more skill than fighting it out on an even playing field.

i never said that... and most the actual good players in crpg dont even bother fighting peasants unless they start attacking them. and like i said it only takes a few hours to get out of being a peasant, and not much more than that to get on par with everyone else.. crpg isn't a grind like a lot of close minded native players believe it to be.. put some time into it and i PROMISE you will like it better than native

The leveling system allows unskilled players to rise above skilled ones who may have spent less time in the game, and assigns them undue tactical power. This profoundly affects the balance of the game in a negative way.

you are right to a certain extent.. the best player in warband can lose if he is a peasant against a higher level.. like in every other rpg out there. the only difference is that it only takes ONE DAY meaning like 8 hours of playing time to get out of peasant stage, sure you will still be at a disadvantage in some situations, but if you are a better player you can easily counter that with no problem (and it is more rewarding). there is nothing funnier than seeing a very good player at like level 5 beat a level 30 noob (and believe me it happens). i guess the moral of the story is, get better so you can put up a decent fight against people that have a level/armor advantage.

Why do you think native tourneys are all cavalry and ranged? All of the scrims I've played have been mostly infantry with cavalry and archers supporting.

An all-cavalry team stands no chance against decent spearmen, and an all-archer team will get rolled over by heavy infantry if unsupported. A combination of both leaves the archers vulnerable to flanking and the cavalry vulnerable to undistracted spearmen.

  i was talking about in battle servers.. in battle its about 10% infantry and in that 10%, about 5% just hold right click with shields because they are so bad they wont attack lol.

[Suriell]

Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has one and they all smell

[crazyboy11]

First of all > there is a modify button at the top right hand corner of your post. You should use it instead of double posting.

if anything there is more "style" in crpg fighting due to it being more controlled, i was dueling someone yesterday in native and if they have good enough ping they can feint spam so fast that they hit you before you even see the swing.. which basically turns it into a fight of random luck.

Well NA typically plays on fastest which I'm not really familiar with, but on medium battles are very controlled. Also duelling only represents a small portion of combat where everyone is taking the fastest/longest/spammiest weapon.

and in crpg its not like you have to just run in and die every round when you start at level 1... all you have to do is pick the unarmored targets to fight. BTW you also proved my point about cRPG haters, you are just too impatient, lazy, and hot-headed to go through the small peasant phase of crpg.  once you hit 30 (takes a few days if you play a lot) then you never have to level again unless you want to waste tons of time getting a weapon with +1 speed and +3 damage.

A few days now? What happened to it only taking 1 day? 

I'm also not entirely sure what point you're proving here; cRPG haters don't like playing at a disadvantage for days? (seems like a fairly legitimate reason for not liking it to me.)

[KrunkFu]

First of all > there is a modify button at the top right hand corner of your post. You should use it instead of double posting.

if anything there is more "style" in crpg fighting due to it being more controlled, i was dueling someone yesterday in native and if they have good enough ping they can feint spam so fast that they hit you before you even see the swing.. which basically turns it into a fight of random luck.

Well NA typically plays on fastest which I'm not really familiar with, but on medium battles are very controlled. Also duelling only represents a small portion of combat where everyone is taking the fastest/longest/spammiest weapon.

and in crpg its not like you have to just run in and die every round when you start at level 1... all you have to do is pick the unarmored targets to fight. BTW you also proved my point about cRPG haters, you are just too impatient, lazy, and hot-headed to go through the small peasant phase of crpg.  once you hit 30 (takes a few days if you play a lot) then you never have to level again unless you want to waste tons of time getting a weapon with +1 speed and +3 damage.

A few days now? What happened to it only taking 1 day? 

I'm also not entirely sure what point you're proving here; cRPG haters don't like playing at a disadvantage for days? (seems like a fairly legitimate reason for not liking it to me.)

i said it takes a few days to get MAX LEVEL... dont twist my words around. it takes about 8 or so hours (probably less) to get competitive unless you are a good player then it only takes a few.

[RoBo_CoP]

Just go ahead and change the thread name to (cRPG vs Native Debate) while you're at it.

[Orion]

native USED to be alright, until cRPG. all the infantry lovers left native for crpg, because no one enjoys dying 9/10 times to ranged and cav rather than good melee fights. if anything there is more "style" in crpg fighting due to it being more controlled, i was dueling someone yesterday in native and if they have good enough ping they can feint spam so fast that they hit you before you even see the swing.. which basically turns it into a fight of random luck. and in crpg its not like you have to just run in and die every round when you start at level 1... all you have to do is pick the unarmored targets to fight. BTW you also proved my point about cRPG haters, you are just too impatient, lazy, and hot-headed to go through the small peasant phase of crpg.  once you hit 30 (takes a few days if you play a lot) then you never have to level again unless you want to waste tons of time getting a weapon with +1 speed and +3 damage.

All of the infantry lovers haven't left Native. Confirmation bias. Proof: My favorite class to play is infantry, and I don't actively play any mods other than Native & NW. I'm probably better known in the community as an archer instead of infantry, and I don't think anybody would rate me in the top 5 NA duelists, but I know the ins and outs as well as any of the best. You saying native duels are a matter of "random luck" is just denial of contrary evidence to your viewpoint. Just because you can't fight feint spam doesn't mean the combat is luck-based. There are those of us who can fight feint spam, and we aren't just "lucky." If you can't fight feint spam then that's a personal failure, and something you should strive to improve.

Or you can continue to mindlessly bash native on the forums, because that will definitely give us a better opinion of you & will lend your arguments much credit in the future.

You also don't seem to understand the term "grind." A grind is time spent doing a repetitive task for a period of time to improve your stats (via leveling, gear, etc.). If you have to spend "about 8" or "a few" hours before you can reach a minimum level of effectiveness, then you are grinding. You're spawning in with the shittiest stats and you've got very few options to choose from. Your best bet is to avoid the actual fight where you'd get wrecked and try to pick off other people as disadvantaged as you. You do this for "a few hours," repeating every battle, until you've padded your stats enough. That's a grind. It's the very definition of a grind. If you say it's not a grind, you're going to have to offer a definition because every other definition for grind fits mine, and mine says you're wrong.

[findecanno]

Having played both native and cRPG back and forth,

There is NO way to argue that using your customized megazord to beat up boorish peasants requires more skill than fighting it out on an even playing field.

i never said that... and most the actual good players in crpg dont even bother fighting peasants unless they start attacking them. and like i said it only takes a few hours to get out of being a peasant, and not much more than that to get on par with everyone else.. crpg isn't a grind like a lot of close minded native players believe it to be.. put some time into it and i PROMISE you will like it better than native

As for your last statement, I can say from experience that this is not true. I have played cRPG and native for a very long time, have hit level 30 several times and heirloomed items and I like native better. It just feels more even. There are too many slight things that you can do in cRPG to give yourself an advantage, whereas in native, its basically the same stats for everyone, which makes it boring for some people, but makes it better for competition.

[KrunkFu]

native USED to be alright, until cRPG. all the infantry lovers left native for crpg, because no one enjoys dying 9/10 times to ranged and cav rather than good melee fights. if anything there is more "style" in crpg fighting due to it being more controlled, i was dueling someone yesterday in native and if they have good enough ping they can feint spam so fast that they hit you before you even see the swing.. which basically turns it into a fight of random luck. and in crpg its not like you have to just run in and die every round when you start at level 1... all you have to do is pick the unarmored targets to fight. BTW you also proved my point about cRPG haters, you are just too impatient, lazy, and hot-headed to go through the small peasant phase of crpg.  once you hit 30 (takes a few days if you play a lot) then you never have to level again unless you want to waste tons of time getting a weapon with +1 speed and +3 damage.

All of the infantry lovers haven't left Native. Confirmation bias. Proof: My favorite class to play is infantry, and I don't actively play any mods other than Native & NW. I'm probably better known in the community as an archer instead of infantry, and I don't think anybody would rate me in the top 5 NA duelists, but I know the ins and outs as well as any of the best. You saying native duels are a matter of "random luck" is just denial of contrary evidence to your viewpoint. Just because you can't fight feint spam doesn't mean the combat is luck-based. There are those of us who can fight feint spam, and we aren't just "lucky." If you can't fight feint spam then that's a personal failure, and something you should strive to improve.

Or you can continue to mindlessly bash native on the forums, because that will definitely give us a better opinion of you & will lend your arguments much credit in the future.

You also don't seem to understand the term "grind." A grind is time spent doing a repetitive task for a period of time to improve your stats (via leveling, gear, etc.). If you have to spend "about 8" or "a few" hours before you can reach a minimum level of effectiveness, then you are grinding. You're spawning in with the shittiest stats and you've got very few options to choose from. Your best bet is to avoid the actual fight where you'd get wrecked and try to pick off other people as disadvantaged as you. You do this for "a few hours," repeating every battle, until you've padded your stats enough. That's a grind. It's the very definition of a grind. If you say it's not a grind, you're going to have to offer a definition because every other definition for grind fits mine, and mine says you're wrong.

i dont think i said it wasn't a grind, but native players think that its countless hours of time people put into playing crpg and that's why they are better (excuses excuses), when in reality its just 1 days worth of work to be able to kill anyone.i never said native was just random luck... i brought up 1 situation where it was.  and i never bashed on native except for the fact that its 90% cav and ranged which imo ruins the game when a server is flooded with those. i like how I'M the one that is "bashing" on native when (if you actually read the posts before) all i did was say i play crpg and i got about 5 people saying "OH LOL YOU PLAY CRPG, YOU ARE INSTANTLY BAD CAUSE IT TAKES NO SKILL", now i'm just defending it from hordes of native fanboys.   

Having played both native and cRPG back and forth,

There is NO way to argue that using your customized megazord to beat up boorish peasants requires more skill than fighting it out on an even playing field.

i never said that... and most the actual good players in crpg dont even bother fighting peasants unless they start attacking them. and like i said it only takes a few hours to get out of being a peasant, and not much more than that to get on par with everyone else.. crpg isn't a grind like a lot of close minded native players believe it to be.. put some time into it and i PROMISE you will like it better than native

As for your last statement, I can say from experience that this is not true. I have played cRPG and native for a very long time, have hit level 30 several times and heirloomed items and I like native better. It just feels more even. There are too many slight things that you can do in cRPG to give yourself an advantage, whereas in native, its basically the same stats for everyone, which makes it boring for some people, but makes it better for competition.

ok well the only reason you dont like crpg then is because sometimes people might have a slight advantage of your build, but its called a challenge bud.. if someone is in plate armor and has 10 ps (usually are baddies that cant block), you have to use your advantages which are foot work and weapon speed.

[findecanno]

I am not suggesting I have any difficulties playing cRPG. Probably the best times I have had was when I was a peasant with a stick just blocking full armored level 30 bads until they got mad and called me an autoblocker and ragequit. Once I reached level 15, it was easy to kill pretty much everyone I encountered. cRPG is much easier then native in that regard. Btw, I haven't dueled you yet, are you that Jesterer guy on my steam who friended me the other day?