Moeckerkalfie is being overly dramatic

[FrisianDude]

Can this thread just be closed? It's a useless waste of forum space and at least the simpleton has already been answered all the reasons why this isn't okay... Which should be obvious to anyone but w/e.

I'd rather your account was closed. You're a useless waste of forum space.

[Merlkir]

Why do you act like such an obnoxious twat really, you don't even understand what this did despite Moeck very clearly pointing it out for you. ONE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO INSTALL THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE GAME TO BE ABLE TO PLAY. It's a major nuisance that shouldn't ever really happen, and I'm speaking especially for the mod developers side, not the player, even though it's still a pain in the ass. You're a fool if you don't see the patch for what it was, and you obviously don't understand how this hurts the modding community.

Defending what happened is simply ignorant. Maybe you should go develop a mod yourself and have your work conditioned by random patches.

I'm being unpleasant, yes. You guys however are being unreasonable and horribly entitled.

One should not have to install the previous version to be able to play? How so? Where is it written? Which law states this as a fact? Is it the same law that says "Mods shall remain free!" and "Modders shall not sell out!" ?

It's a "major nuissance"? Goodness, I wonder what your life is like.

It's unfortunate, but I'd hardly call it anything but a minor annoyance.

Believe it or not, I've been a modder for a while now, dealt with new patches and stuff. Just saying.


@Barabas:

Why should we wait because someone fixes things he shouldn't have broken in the first place?

Because you don't have a choice? Sorry, but not everyone out there does everything he does for the sole benefit of your happiness. Is it unfortunate what happened? Yes. Could it have been prevented? Yes.

Is it a major distaster that will do real harm to anyone? No. Of course not.

Taleworlds are busy making MnB2 I imagine. I'm quite sure they're not happy about the current state of affairs, nor are they jumping for joy at how the DLC turned out to be. Heck, I don't know Vincenzo, maybe he IS a real *******. I don't know.

What I know is - you guys take this way too seriously and you're refusing to see how insignificant of an event it is. You've been on edge for two weeks and continue to hype each other into a rage over this ridiculous non-issue.

I'm not defending Vincenzo, I don't know him. I'm not defending NW, I don't play it.

I'm simply calling for reason, as it is sorely missing here.

I'm not gonna argue here, but for many people something 'simple' as installing different versions of a game is not that easy to get right. Especially those that are used to Steam.

Yes, I know. Oh gods, I wish I didn't know how little some people know of computers they insist on using. Again, unfortunate, but it'll sort itself out eventually.

The thing I really don't understand is why Taleworlds let some external team patch up Warband.

I do. They're working on MnB2. The Squirrel guys made the DLC, so they know best how it works and what's needed. Yes, we'd have probably benefited from closer cooperation, no doubt.

This is not just based on the patches themselves but also on the comments from the Squirrels like: "It works fine on our DLC, we're not responsible for Native." implying that they don't give a shit about native or any other mods.

I hope TW will get on it eventually. Until then, there's always rolling back. When we're not all worked up and waiting for a miraculous patch, I'm sure this will become a reasonable option for the majority of players and modders.

Can this thread just be closed? It's a useless waste of forum space and at least the simpleton has already been answered all the reasons why this isn't okay... Which should be obvious to anyone but w/e.

As it doesn't break any forum rules (I hope), I'd rather you wouldn't rob me of my freedom of speech. Feel free to insult me for no good reason at all, while giving zero arguments supporting your ridiculous whining.

[Harkon Haakonson]

Lol, the scale of problems is a relative topic that is rather silly to get into.

You seem to think of yourself as highly logical, rational and reasonable while all others are doomsday prophets. Sure there are worse problems in the world, but as you very simply said, it's something that could have easily been avoided and people have every right to be annoyed by it. If you're fine with it, whatever, people who actually care about a real problem don't have to listen to you being indifferent and actually defending the company and putting the blame on Steam users / people not wanting to do rollbacks that aren't even guaranteed to work because of a sloppy patch.

That's like being a rich white man in the 50's living in Southern North America, being absolutely fine with black people getting murdered and discriminated, while also trying to call the people who attempt to fight for their rights "dramatic". Like in this matter, I guess it really isn't YOUR problem.

@ FrisianDude

Good one, lolol. Don't worry about the watched status, it's always worth it. Personal experience.

[Merlkir]

It is my problem too, I want to participate in this wonderful Vikingr event.

It shouldn't have happened, but it did. And I see why, I don't see any ill intent on TW's part. It's not like someone woke up and thought: "Let's **** with the TW community today!".

It can be dealt with rather easily. So why make it into such a big issue?

The rollbacks aren't guaranteed to work? What?

I'm not putting the blame on Steam users, just saying their unfortunate situation is also an outcome of them choosing to use the service.

And yeah, it's totally like black people being murdered. I can see how it's exactly the same thing.

[hrotha]

What I know is - you guys take this way too seriously and you're refusing to see how insignificant of an event it is. You've been on edge for two weeks and continue to hype each other into a rage over this ridiculous non-issue.

Insignificant? Non-issue? Dude, this is the Víkingr subforum in the Mount & Blade: Warband message board, not the United Nations. In the scale of issues that can be discussed in this here forum, of course it's gonna come on top.

[Yeferz]

Wading in to a forum where people are posting legitimate complaints and calling them all entitled whiners in such a smug, obnoxious way is quite rude. You're right there is no agreement which says Taleworlds must help the modding community, but the community is also well within its rights to complain, especially given how essential mods are to Mount and Blade's success. You're completely over-reacting to some reasonable issues which have been raised.

[Harkon Haakonson]

The rollbacks aren't guaranteed to work? What?

There's the game cd-key issue. Do you even read what others post?

I'm not putting the blame on Steam users, just saying their unfortunate situation is also an outcome of them choosing to use the service.

And yeah, it's totally like black people being murdered. I can see how it's exactly the same thing.

Yeah, people should totally expect to have flawed games because they choose to use the most popular digital copy shopping software in the World.

You gotta be welcome to such analogies when you claim people are blowing this out of proportion. The scale of problems is relative to the individual. The point is, it's a real nuisance to some people and they have every right to make their voice heard, so you have no right to go insult them. Just because the company just decided to milk a mod and is creating a new game doesn't mean they can treat their loyal community like garbage, is what many of us feel. If it doesn't annoy as much, good for you, hush and sit tight waiting for the patch I guess. Everyone's happy.

EDIT : +1 to both posts above me, exactly some of what I'm trying to get across myself.

[Barabas]

@Barabas:

Why should we wait because someone fixes things he shouldn't have broken in the first place?

Because you don't have a choice? Sorry, but not everyone out there does everything he does for the sole benefit of your happiness. Is it unfortunate what happened? Yes. Could it have been prevented? Yes.

Eh... it's not for MY enjoyment, it's for the enjoyment of many Warband players, not just for people playing our mod. To be honest, I've got enough other things on my mind to be playing games.

Is it a major distaster that will do real harm to anyone? No. Of course not.

It might not be a major disaster, as it doesn't harm anyone, but that doesn't mean we have to be silent and patiently wait till whenever.

What I know is - you guys take this way too seriously and you're refusing to see how insignificant of an event it is. You've been on edge for two weeks and continue to hype each other into a rage over this ridiculous non-issue.

We're waiting to play our game, release an update and hold an event. And everytime we think we are nearly there someone comes around the corner with an update that ruins our plans yet again. I've patiently waited for two weeks and I'm getting fed up. I would be more accepting (?) if it was just a regular Taleworlds patch. Now it feels like some modder broke the mods of all other people.

I do. They're working on MnB2. The Squirrel guys made the DLC, so they know best how it works and what's needed. Yes, we'd have probably benefited from closer cooperation, no doubt.

Working on your next title is not an excuse to let someone else play with your game.

I know shit happens from time to time, but that doesn't mean it's ok.

[Merlkir]

Insignificant? Non-issue? Dude, this is the Víkingr subforum in the Mount & Blade: Warband message board, not the United Nations. In the scale of issues that can be discussed in this here forum, of course it's gonna come on top.

Sure thing. It was the type of posts like this:

Guess we'll be seeing the event delayed again.

Clicky

**** TaleWorlds and **** Vincenzo. **** DLC and **** it all.

That little **** Vincenzo had to ruin all other mods. Goes afk for 1 year and 2 months without patching his mod and then suddenly goes "lolz guys MM is now p2p with 1 more faction and maps, enjoy!!! o, and ill get TW to release a useless patch to **** up all your mods. while they're all in need of being updated, people cba waiting and everyone will buy my mod, which is not even as good as many out there! profit!"

It's odd to see people like Eiríkr Rauði, whom I consider very decent, getting this upset. Especially over something I consider not that important. I mean...**** Taleworlds, hell yeah! We hate them now, they should just stop what they're doing and die.

There's the game cd-key issue. Do you even read what others post? (no, I just post whatever comes to my mind and laugh maniacally. It's not that the rollback wouldn't work, it's a CD key issue.)


Yeah, people should totally expect to have flawed games because they choose to use the most popular digital copy shopping software in the World.
(People should expect to have updates installed automatically, which may potentially be flawed. People were raging about this when Skyrim did it and they're raging about it now, but to me it's just you being lazy and having a service install stuff without your consent.)

You gotta be welcome to such analogies when you claim people are blowing this out of proportion. The scale of problems is relative to the individual. The point is, it's a real nuisance to some people and they have every right to make their voice heard, so you have no right to go insult them. Just because the company just decided to milk a mod and is creating a new game doesn't mean they can treat their loyal community like garbage, is what many of us feel. If it doesn't annoy as much, good for you, hush and sit tight waiting for the patch I guess. Everyone's happy.
(You have the right to complain, yes. And I have the right to inform you I consider your reaction overblown and unnecessary. I try not to insult people, that one "idiotic" slipped under the radar. But FIY, I HAVE the right to insult you. If you consider making mistakes "treating someone like garbage"...yeah, I can't get the word "entitled" out of my head. Sorry.)

Wading in to a forum where people are posting legitimate complaints and calling them all entitled whiners in such a smug, obnoxious way is quite rude. You're right there is no agreement which says Taleworlds must help the modding community, but the community is also well within its rights to complain, especially given how essential mods are to Mount and Blade's success. You're completely over-reacting to some reasonable issues which have been raised.

Legitimacy of the complaints is debatable. I admitted some were fair, pointed out that many were just butthurt whining based on nothing objective whatsoever.
How am I smug? Obnoxious? Well, maybe. I admitted to being unpleasant on purpose.

I have to laugh now. I am overreacting? Me? Right. There's nothing reasonable about throwing ****s around and being pissed as all hell because of this.

@Barabas:

but that doesn't mean we have to be silent and patiently wait till whenever.

How exactly does ******** TW in a subforum help solve this problem?

We're waiting to play our game, release an update and hold an event. And everytime we think we are nearly there someone comes around the corner with an update that ruins our plans yet again. I've patiently waited for two weeks and I'm getting fed up.

Oh man, I SO want to post the "First world problem" meme. But I won't, as that wouldn't be mature and worthy of this debate.

I would be more accepting (?) if it was just a regular Taleworlds patch. Now it feels like some modder broke the mods of all other people.

Where's that modder solidarity gone, I wonder? Ah. Of course, he's a moneygrubbing sellout, so **** him. Right?

I'm a bit surprised how you guys just keep repeating these statements about broken mods, like it's a fact. It's not. Stop it.

Working on your next title is not an excuse to let someone else play with your game.

Yeah, it is. It's called outsourcing. Or outside maintenance.

I know shit happens from time to time, but that doesn't mean it's ok.

I'm NOT saying it's "ok", I keep repeating it's unfortunate. But it wasn't done intentionally, they're working on fixing the problem. ALL I'm saying is - you guys are being unfair, way too angry and worked up.

[Barabas]

How exactly does ******** TW in a subforum help solve this problem?

Does it need to help? There is nothing I can do, but does that mean I am not allowed to show my opinion?

I'm a bit surprised how you guys just keep repeating these statements about broken mods, like it's a fact. It's not. Stop it.

Ok, they're not broken, they're just 'temporarily out of service' if that makes you feel any better.

Where's that modder solidarity gone, I wonder? Ah. Of course, he's a moneygrubbing sellout, so **** him. Right?

I couldn't care less about him making money. I do care about him patching the main game breaking features and his replies to complaints make it look like he doesn't give a shit. Also, don't get us started on modder solidarity with this guy... I'm sure the old development team can tell you plenty nice stories about that.

Yeah, it is. It's called outsourcing. Or outside maintenance.

It's pretty obvious that this was not 'maintenance', but just Vincenzo modifying the game to suit his needs and hopefully do some good to the community while he's at it. The point is that it was not needed that badly to justify making such a mess. Also, even if you do outsource, it's still your product and your responsibility. So let's say it's very 'unfortunate' Taleworlds choose this company for their outsourcing and should have chosen another one, done it themselves or not patch the game at all.

ALL I'm saying is - you guys are being unfair, way too angry and worked up.

How is it unfair to complain when things are going wrong?

I'm sorry, but for me it's like you're saying: "Too bad someone killed your dog, stop whining and buy a new one." Talking about it doesn't bring him back to life.

[Yeferz]

Wading in to a forum where people are posting legitimate complaints and calling them all entitled whiners in such a smug, obnoxious way is quite rude. You're right there is no agreement which says Taleworlds must help the modding community, but the community is also well within its rights to complain, especially given how essential mods are to Mount and Blade's success. You're completely over-reacting to some reasonable issues which have been raised.

Legitimacy of the complaints is debatable. I admitted some were fair, pointed out that many were just butthurt whining based on nothing objective whatsoever.
How am I smug? Obnoxious? Well, maybe. I admitted to being unpleasant on purpose.

I have to laugh now. I am overreacting? Me? Right. There's nothing reasonable about throwing ****s around and being pissed as all hell because of this.

Acting like steam users had it coming to them is smug. Presumptuously calling other people entitled is smug. Calling others sad for complaining is obnoxious, as is your general lack of politeness. Your assumption that you are being objective and reasonable while the complaints were based on 'nothing objective whatsoever' is smug. True, some people were maybe being a little harsh on Vincenzo, but that does not warrant your massive attack on their complaints, which as I've already said, are perfectly legitimate. I think if you were a bit more polite in your arguments this would never have been such an issue.

[Merlkir]

But the Steam users HAD it coming. How is that not true?

And you guys ARE acting entitled as hell. How am I smug for pointing out the obvious?

I've been called impolite before and knew I was just that. Hey, I'm not calling you names, I'm not calling you a waste of space or whatever.

I'm simply saying that in my eyes you guys are overreacting over nothing. Expecting a brilliantly working fix immediately just because you're being denied your favourite service for a few weeks.

Does it need to help? There is nothing I can do, but does that mean I am not allowed to show my opinion?

Of course you are. Do you think the devs assume we're enjoying ourselves? Just asking. I'd assume an action has a desired outcome, I was wondering what you expected to happen if you complain. We agree it most likely won't speed up the patching process. So, what was it then? Confirming you're not alone who thinks so? Maybe a relase of some of that tension and frustration?

his replies to complaints make it look like he doesn't give a shit.

Mhm. He probably doesn't.

So let's say it's very 'unfortunate' Taleworlds choose this company for their outsourcing and should have chosen another one, done it themselves or not patch the game at all.

Yep, couldn't agree more.

How is it unfair to complain when things are going wrong?

If Taleworlds said "Ah, screw you, nobody plays Warband anymore. Just deal with it, assholes. Play Napoleonic Warfare.", I'd say it was justified.
In the current situation, I think it's just demoralizing for both parties and not useful or helpful at all.

"Too bad someone killed your dog, stop whining and buy a new one." Talking about it doesn't bring him back to life.

Again with the morbid analogies! Jeez! Yeah, sure, if you could roll back to a younger version of your dog and resurrect it, yeah..kind of.

[evulclown]

You are all being way too dramatic. The mod is not broken. Warband is not broken. You can roll back the patches. If you're that unfortunate Steam user, well, tough shit. It's your issue for using Steam.

Well that's a very selfish view on things, isn't it? If Taleworlds chooses to have their game sold on Steam it is not the users fault that there's problems with it. Taleworlds customers trusted their judgement in the platform they chose to sell their game. Have a little empathy. 

Who does the patch benefit the most? It's sure as shit not any of the other hard working mod teams or end users is it? It's implementing features into the game that aren't even given to normal warband users... If there was a vote by everyone owning warband if they wanted this patch to happen it sure as shit would not have been a "yes".

Not to mention the NW dev teams stance has been "oops, we didn't test it properly Taleworlds should have sucks to be you it's not our problem"... 

None of the mod teams this has greatly effected get paid for their time and effort and they're bending over backwards to fix the problems this patch has brought forward. VikingR was also in the middle of running a marketing event for their mod, which this patch totally pissed all over. Do you know how annoying it is to organise things like that? -- Would you not be a little annoyed? 

[Merlkir]

A marketing event? Wait what. Are they trying to make money from Vikingr?

I have addressed your other comments before.

[hrotha]

A marketing event? Wait what. Are they trying to make money from Vikingr?

No. A better word would have been "promotional".