Moeckerkalfie is being overly dramatic

[Merlkir]

This shit again? Should I explain once again why your whining is idiotic and pointless?

[Moeckerkalfie]

You are free to voice your opinion, especially if it goes beyond posting memes, but I must say that I very much tend towards the mindset of the previous posters.

[Harkon Haakonson]

This shit again? Should I explain once again why your whining is idiotic and pointless?

What a clueless sod.

[Merlkir]

On "omg paying for mod lolololol **** u"

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,225282.msg5408314.html#msg5408314

On "omg patch broke mods u ****** ****s devs sold out lololo":


1. It's a couple of weeks until the issues are fixed.
2. You can downgrade your Warband and keep playing.
3. Warband has been out for over two years. Have you bought it recently that you feel the value you got is not worth the money? And they still patched in some new stuff, however it was linked to NW. Two years after the release.

*in before Ringwraith and his rage over patches breaking shit two years after release*

To make one thing clear: I can't wait for this Vikingr event. I'd absolutely LOVE to have it sooner than later. But all this humbug about Taleworlds selling out and being shitty devs for breaking stuff with patches just irritates me immensely.

"Something fairly insignificant happened and I don't like it. Let's be unpleasant about it and whine like the over-entitled whiners we are."

No. Just no.

[Moeckerkalfie]

Lets have a look at your points.

1. It's a couple of weeks until the issues are fixed.

Really? I thought the same after the first patch, but indeed we are steering towards patch number 4 inside two weeks. I can not tell if its just incompetence or carelessness, but as long as things are patched every four days we can not hope to get back into track again. Indeed the last patch seems to have been mostly about combatting a pirated version of the DLC. And who benefits from it? Certainly not us, the Deluge, Secession or many of the other mods that have been completely run over. And we are even expected to acknowledge the "great opportunities" of this patch.

2. You can downgrade your Warband and keep playing.

You are mistaken here, some people using steam were given 5x5 keys. There is a converter offered by taleworlds, but it does not accept all of the keys and there are people who simply can not downgrade the game. So we there is no way out of this mess either.

3. Warband has been out for over two years. Have you bought it recently that you feel the value you got is not worth the money? And they still patched in some new stuff, however it was linked to NW. Two years after the release.

Is this even directed at me?What addition do these patches give the native game? They broke the archer AI and the sound, as well as implementing some features that are blocked off to anyone but the DLC itself. For native these patches are a nuisance, but for the modding community its a stranglehold, as we can not even port things as fast as they are "fixing" them.

All in all breaking a mod that many people have been working on for two years, with no outlook on when we are finally set, even damaging features of the original game for the sake of a DLC is not "Something fairly insignificant".

[Merlkir]

Let's see.

1) Two weeks is still a couple of weeks. So what if it's been 4 patches? Just wait till they're done.

2) Some people can't play then, too bad. Maybe they should ask Taleworlds to adjust the converter.

3) I'm told there were additions to the module system which should offer interesting possibilities. Sure, many are adapted from WSE, but not all. IIRC. The sound system may be "broken" right now, but an optimization of the sound engine is something MnB and Warband needed rather badly.

You are all being way too dramatic. The mod is not broken. Warband is not broken. You can roll back the patches. If you're that unfortunate Steam user, well, tough shit. It's your issue for using Steam. Ask Taleworlds to adjust the converter. Again, the patch thing is a very minor annoyance.

[Moeckerkalfie]

Thanks for your wisdom then, I believe that you don't really feel the problem if you are not affected. In any case this shouldn't be discussed in this thread anyway, as we will have to see what to do with the entire event that is "fairly insignificantly" under threat by this development too. If you want you can create a new thread to convince me of what a nice opportunity the entire thing is after all.

[Merlkir]

You are all being way too dramatic.

[Harkon Haakonson]

Fairly insignificant happened? Waw, just waw.

Nice to see your respect for all mods and mod developers who do this on their own free time for the good of all other players. Sure is fairly insignificant that the dozens of mods have to emergency-patch their mods to allow people to play without much struggle...

[Merlkir]

Nice to see your respect for all mods and mod developers who do this on their own free time for the good of all other players. Sure is fairly insignificant that the dozens of mods have to emergency-patch their mods to allow people to play without much struggle...

Yeah, wow, so much struggle and terror! One needs to install the previous version of the game! The horror! So much work. And yeah, I totally hate modders, I disrespect those fuckers wherever I go. Dirty modders. In fact, I hate this mod the most. Totally.

Do you have any real arguments, or do you just like to whine?

(and I'm sorry to post OT in this thread, but you guys started it)

[Moeckerkalfie]

I took my freedom to put this into its right place so you can discuss it as much as you want without spamming the event thread.

[Merlkir]

I took my freedom to put this into its right place so you can discuss it as much as you want without spamming the event thread.

Thanks!

[Harkon Haakonson]

Nice to see your respect for all mods and mod developers who do this on their own free time for the good of all other players. Sure is fairly insignificant that the dozens of mods have to emergency-patch their mods to allow people to play without much struggle...

Yeah, wow, so much struggle and terror! One needs to install the previous version of the game! The horror! So much work. And yeah, I totally hate modders, I disrespect those fuckers wherever I go. Dirty modders. In fact, I hate this mod the most. Totally.

Do you have any real arguments, or do you just like to whine?

(and I'm sorry to post OT in this thread, but you guys started it)

Why do you act like such an obnoxious twat really, you don't even understand what this did despite Moeck very clearly pointing it out for you. ONE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO INSTALL THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE GAME TO BE ABLE TO PLAY. It's a major nuisance that shouldn't ever really happen, and I'm speaking especially for the mod developers side, not the player, even though it's still a pain in the ass. You're a fool if you don't see the patch for what it was, and you obviously don't understand how this hurts the modding community.

Defending what happened is simply ignorant. Maybe you should go develop a mod yourself and have your work conditioned by random patches. I mean, people now have to wait weeks to get their content on the roll, but I guess that's okay, Taleworlds rox <3

It's also no big deal that some people can't play at all if they rollback of course... They should ask Taleworlds to fix the key issue, after all it's a favor on their part, not like it's their job or they should have a functional system from the get-go.

It's also everyone's fault for using Steam! Yeah, up yours Steam users, you should have seen it coming! Not Taleworlds for putting their game on Steam without the proper technicalities to make it work decently!

I'm done here, I don't even...

[Barabas]

Let's see.

1) Two weeks is still a couple of weeks. So what if it's been 4 patches? Just wait till they're done.

Why should we wait because someone fixes things he shouldn't have broken in the first place?

2) Some people can't play then, too bad. Maybe they should ask Taleworlds to adjust the converter.

I'm not gonna argue here, but for many people something 'simple' as installing different versions of a game is not that easy to get right. Especially those that are used to Steam.

3) I'm told there were additions to the module system which should offer interesting possibilities. Sure, many are adapted from WSE, but not all. IIRC. The sound system may be "broken" right now, but an optimization of the sound engine is something MnB and Warband needed rather badly.

I've looked and there is astonishingly few interesting new options. Most 'new' stuff was already possible by just using the module system intelligently. Some other things were already in WSE, some others are not interesting at all and a only one or two things might actually bring something extra. In my opinion this was certainly not worth killing all/most mods for.

The thing I really don't understand is why Taleworlds let some external team patch up Warband. Most new options in module.ini don't work with native, things that worked before, like the sound and ranged AI, don't work properly anymore. To me it just feels so wrong that some Squirrels are allowed to 'patch' the main game to suit their needs for their mod, with little regard as what happens to the main game. This is not just based on the patches themselves but also on the comments from the Squirrels like: "It works fine on our DLC, we're not responsible for Native." implying that they don't give a shit about native or any other mods.

Meanwhile we can't do much and have to wait for them to get tired of patching the game.

You are all being way too dramatic. The mod is not broken. Warband is not broken. You can roll back the patches. If you're that unfortunate Steam user, well, tough shit. It's your issue for using Steam. Ask Taleworlds to adjust the converter. Again, the patch thing is a very minor annoyance.

It might not be 'broken', but it is incompatible with the current Warband version, which is as good as broken. Like I said before, rolling back patches is not that easy for everyone. Some people already have problems installing a mod on the right version of the game.

[Harkon Haakonson]

Can this thread just be closed? It's a useless waste of forum space and at least the simpleton has already been answered all the reasons why this isn't okay... Which should be obvious to anyone but w/e.