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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 11:55:39 PM »
Has anyone noticed a difference with Khergits in multiplayer since the patch that rebalanced their troop stats?
All the overpowered features are still there


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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 01:11:08 AM »
Has anyone noticed a difference with Khergits in multiplayer since the patch that rebalanced their troop stats?
All the overpowered features are still there
Nah dude, less powerdraw. Now they can't pick up warbows.
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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 01:28:58 AM »
I'll post the actual changes to their stats.

Former stats for Khergit Horse Archer:
80 in melee proficiencies.
150 archery, 100 throwing, 60 crossbow proficiency.
Skills:
5 Power Draw.
2 Shield.
3 Athletics.
6 Riding.
5 Horse Archery.

Current Stats of Khergit Horse Archer, post-update:
70 in melee proficiencies. 130 Archery.
3 Power Draw.
4 Athletics.
2 Riding.
2 Horse Archery.

Essentially, this means the Khergits have lost a good amount of their considerable advantages. They can no longer shoot accurately at full gallop, in addition to shooting less powerfully, and riding slower. They are also weaker with melee weapons, and no longer have any shield skill, while they gain some more ability to move quickly on foot.

The changes to Khergit Lancers are of less note, including +1 Powerstrike, no horse archery at all(they previously had 1 point of this), and +2 points in shield skill.

The lancers now look like this:

115 in all proficiencies.
3 Ironflesh.
3 Powerstrike.
3 Power Throw.
4 Shield.
5 Athletics.
6 Riding.

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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2012, 01:29:39 AM »
Khergits love the cock.
"When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood will be felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I'll pull your walls down, and divert the Tumblestone over the ruins. By the time I'm done no man will ever know that a castle once stood here." Jaime got to his feet. "Your wife may whelp before that. You'll want your child, I expect. I'll send him to you when he's born. With a trebuchet."

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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2012, 01:37:17 AM »
Khergits love the cock.
Yes, indeed they do.
They seem to be getting a little tired of it now though...
I guess they're not such big pussies anymore, eh?

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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2012, 02:02:24 AM »
I'll post the actual changes to their stats.

Former stats for Khergit Horse Archer:
80 in melee proficiencies.
150 archery, 100 throwing, 60 crossbow proficiency.
Skills:
5 Power Draw.
2 Shield.
3 Athletics.
6 Riding.
5 Horse Archery.

Current Stats of Khergit Horse Archer, post-update:
70 in melee proficiencies. 130 Archery.
3 Power Draw.
4 Athletics.
2 Riding.
2 Horse Archery.

Essentially, this means the Khergits have lost a good amount of their considerable advantages. They can no longer shoot accurately at full gallop, in addition to shooting less powerfully, and riding slower. They are also weaker with melee weapons, and no longer have any shield skill, while they gain some more ability to move quickly on foot.

The changes to Khergit Lancers are of less note, including +1 Powerstrike, no horse archery at all(they previously had 1 point of this), and +2 points in shield skill.

The lancers now look like this:

115 in all proficiencies.
3 Ironflesh.
3 Powerstrike.
3 Power Throw.
4 Shield.
5 Athletics.
6 Riding.


Shit. Those are actually pretty huge changes.
Riding from 6 to 2 means they can't maneuver as quickly, can't ride the higher tier horses (i think coursers are the highest for 2 riding), and they are a bit slower than before.
Horse Archer from 5 to 2 is a huuge aiming change. You'd really get impossible shots if you're moving anything faster than a trot. And with a standard ha only having 30 arrows, you can't really afford impossible shots.
The +1 athletics was desperately needed imo <3
Nice.

Also, no more warbows. :)
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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2012, 10:37:48 AM »
That change to HA skill will make cavalry a better counter against Khergs I guess. In other words, battles vs Khergs may allow even cav vs cav battles, compared to earlier when the other side was forced to foot archer spam camp as much as the map allowed, because cav got brutally shot down by horse archers. Still, just theory on my behalf since I haven't seen them in action since the patch.  :lol:
« Last Edit: April 30, 2012, 10:43:27 AM by Chaingun »
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Re: Is it just me?
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2012, 11:28:36 AM »
Unless version 1.152 nerfed them further, I tested them before and found I could shoot accurately enough at high speed, they need to be nerfed into having an archer/inf hybrid and a cav/inf hybrid not a cav/archer hybrid. If they remain as horse archers they need to be stopped from shooting effectively at any speed.

Giving them stats to help them on foot is a good thing(better sheilds would be nice aswell) but the horse archer we have right now needs to go.

imo^^