Cavalry are Rubbish

[jbebes]

I dont care what you say: Cavalry is fine.
The horses are at a good speed so its fair for everyone and you can still get a lot of kills. Cavalry often went behind lines or charged unscepecting lines, or to breakt the fighting between lines.
Lancers can't block so they will just get owned, which is good, need more good skilled players to play as lancer instead of people crying "nerf dem lancers!" when some avderage player gets 10 kills with a lance. Lancer was so easy, it was unbalanced to the inf. Everyone in MM went lancer if possible in seemed. Thank goodness for limits . With the nerfiness, less lancers, more varity. Infantry takes a ton of skill, so the nerf would balance out the skill need for inf and the skil needed for cav. I was in a cavalry regiment once and we got 5-10 kills easily. Now, we would have to earn it.

[Zor]

When playing Cav I try to think about what I would do in Napoleon: Total War.

Charging a front line of infantry is suicidal since you are basicly charging a whole double line of pointy sticks (remember Braveheart the film ?).

I use cavalry to:
1> crush into a moving line of infantry
2> crush into the back of an infantry line who is fighting a friendly infantry line
3> support infantry using your mobility

IA and system orders rather sucks for a well used squad of Dragons tho I just rush as fast as I can onto u hill, dismount and fire like an infantry line.
I dont use heavy cav: waaaaay too slow

[berserkergang]

A Cuirassier vs a infantry man in a frontal assault i know who i would put my money on in real life. (unless it was Sharpe). Plenty of examples of Cuirassiers charging infantry head on they were usually to slow to sneak around there flank and were usually employed to attack an armies center which is very hard to flank unless your behind them. Cuirassiers continually charged the russians front in the battle of Eylau and succeded, hell they even charged a fort and captured it in the battle of Borodino and destroyed  many square formations.. The idea of infantry support was that the Cavalry would drive of or eliminate the enemy infantry and then friendly infantry would quickly take up position in the ground won or else the enemy would retake it since cavalry cant hold ground very well. As for not attacking walls of bayonets, there are countless times of cavalry breaking Square formations especially on rainy days due to gunpowder getting wet lancers excelled at this. I bought the DLC for the heavy cavalry but i am being reduced to attacking people in the back unlike in MM were it was easy to attack sum1 from the front. The thing that cav are lacking and this isnt the DLC fault is that cav cant strafe all you can do is go back an forth and turn

'Cuirassiers are of greater use than all other cavalry. This arm...needs to be well instructed. It is in the heavy cavalry that the science of the mounted man should be carried to the highest degree.' - Napoleon

[berserkergang]

O still good dlc love the light cav and infantry is good and the heavy cav look really nice

[terrorib]

so form square never existed?
becaus if it did.....there would be no reason for it becaus cavalry in real is weak and cant smash a line of infantry.
1 rank line should be easy, 2 rank line should be possible, 3 rank line should be hard to smash through.
ofcours the skill of the cavalry also matters, light cav will never break a line of well trained 2 rank line infantry.
but heavy cav can... but i think the brace musket is very usefull against a wide line of cav
so never be wide as cav, with 15 cav you should try only to hit 1 part of the line. lets say the left flank.
5 cav members will be beaten by the brace mode the other 10 will smash trough and make a tactical retreat.
so yea join a cav regiment and get some training..with the right training u can make the game realistic by gameplay.

[JeanChristophe]

Lets just face it, now you have to really be allert to defeat infantry as a cavalryman takes ALOT more skill and it is ALOT harder then it is playing inf .If your are infantry you can just smash your head into your mouse and get a cav kill, most people dont know how to block these early days of the dlc you can just ambush a camping grp and get 8 kills if you are decent as inf.

 No skill what so ever im pretty sure you could do it with your head. Dont even start on realism this game is far from realism in combat, sure uniforms etc are probably realistic. A horse charging at full speed would probably throw the musket from your hands and knock you out if it hit you. I would strongly suggest making it a tiny bit harder for infantry to defeat cav.

(suggestion: a bit longer swords so cav can cope with overheads)

[reignlief]

my only complaint (and this is as someone who owns horses) atleast give the cav an option to switch up to a canter or a gallop even if its only limited. going everywhere at a trot is rediculas especialy when charging.

And my final point. if a half tonne horse runs into you, you are not going to stagger and perhaps fall over. you're going to break something at the very least.

[terrorib]

yes heavy cav needs a bigger charge bonus
remember soldiers didnt have steel armor anymore. 

[Leberecht Reinhold]

Pretty sure hussars are still lightning fast. At least as fast as in MM.

[rejenorst]

Its usually only light cav whose horse goes down with one bayo hit anyway. Medium to heavy cav takes me more than one hit.

[DanAngleland]

my only complaint (and this is as someone who owns horses) atleast give the cav an option to switch up to a canter or a gallop even if its only limited. going everywhere at a trot is rediculas especialy when charging.

And my final point. if a half tonne horse runs into you, you are not going to stagger and perhaps fall over. you're going to break something at the very least.

They don't go everywhere at a trot, and though the heavy horses are significantly slower than the light ones they can still get to a good speed. Light ones are very fast, zipping all over the place. I think horses should be no faster, possibly the light ones made slower. But horses should have more hit points and charging should do more damage. Now it is as though the infantry have more mass than the horse. Making horses faster would just make it harder for infantry to shoot them and for the horseman to actually time his swing.

[reignlief]

my only complaint (and this is as someone who owns horses) atleast give the cav an option to switch up to a canter or a gallop even if its only limited. going everywhere at a trot is rediculas especialy when charging.

And my final point. if a half tonne horse runs into you, you are not going to stagger and perhaps fall over. you're going to break something at the very least.

They don't go everywhere at a trot, and though the heavy horses are significantly slower than the light ones they can still get to a good speed. Light ones are very fast, zipping all over the place. I think horses should be no faster, possibly the light ones made slower. But horses should have more hit points and charging should do more damage. Now it is as though the infantry have more mass than the horse. Making horses faster would just make it harder for infantry to shoot them and for the horseman to actually time his swing.

I see what you're saying its just when ever i use cav now it feels so sluggish and unresponsive unlike infantry who can just dance around cav. and yes, an 80-150kg man is not going to stop half tonne to 1 tonne horse moving at up to 45 MPH

[Evil_Penguin918]

Which leads to more carfull gameplay. Cavalry never charged directly in a line. The reason why a line is inneffective against cavalry is simply the fact, that the flanks and the back are not secure.
Square however are secure to all sides, which make it much harder for cavalry.

That is how you should play as cavalry men. Charing directly into a line or a soldier is not going to get you very far. You need to get them from the site or the back and you need to think a bit, before charging.

Really?
What do you think cav regiments have been doing in linebattles?

[reignlief]

Which leads to more carfull gameplay. Cavalry never charged directly in a line. The reason why a line is inneffective against cavalry is simply the fact, that the flanks and the back are not secure.
Square however are secure to all sides, which make it much harder for cavalry.

That is how you should play as cavalry men. Charing directly into a line or a soldier is not going to get you very far. You need to get them from the site or the back and you need to think a bit, before charging.

Really?
What do you think cav regiments have been doing in linebattles?

I can unfortunatly  vouch for penguin, his cavalry always have a nasty habbit of only attacking from the rear after you have fired.

[drigoly]

cav. is great, you can take out 3-4 enemy regiments if you know how to command your cav. the right way, requires a lot of using the F-keys during a charge , as long as your enemy doesn't press f2f5f2f7f2f7f1f1f3f1 -.-"