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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #255 on: May 06, 2012, 01:36:52 PM »
The thing we lack is the psychological effect of cavalry charge. If we make that horses can trample people (but only one guy, not whole line) to death or damage immensely and stun then people will actually try to run when they see a cavalryman charging them and not just lolspam bayonet.

Charging horse meeting with pointed out bayonet should mean certain death/heavy damage for both cavalryman and the infantryman.

What this guy says is very true...

In mods like CRPG for example being charged by a cavalrymen is a very scary factor especially considering the fact that these cavalrymen usually have armoured horses (sometimes plated armoured horses) and usually have very powerful weapons too e.g. the very long great lance and so there is a very big psychological factor when being charged by a cavalrymen such as that...

My point is that if you want to have a psychological factor to be in Napoleonic you will have to make cavalrymen far better than what they currently are now to make them more in intimidating for an infantrymen to go up against.

Cavalry should also be good against the lone infantrymen but do bad against groups of them because then infantry would work together and stick together which I can only see as being a good thing but currently even one infantrymen can do allot of damage to several cavalrymen...

But sadly infantrymen think they are the heroes of the battlefield and should be able to defeat anything and anyone and not have a counter and seeing as how they have such a sway over the devs of this DLC I doubt there will be much change to infantry being less powerful than they currently are...

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #256 on: May 06, 2012, 10:27:20 PM »
Nope.I was playing a commander battle as horse guards.I took out a unit of grens.And most of their inf force.Then next round.Their cav commander(His unit bigger then mine) Charged a unit of highlanders from the side(Their cav was in front of mine.)So I charged them and completely destroyed them and destroyed the rest of the team.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #257 on: May 07, 2012, 07:49:17 AM »
Nope.I was playing a commander battle as horse guards.I took out a unit of grens.And most of their inf force.Then next round.Their cav commander(His unit bigger then mine) Charged a unit of highlanders from the side(Their cav was in front of mine.)So I charged them and completely destroyed them and destroyed the rest of the team.

I think this debate is regarding Cavalry in online battles, not bot-controlled in Commander Battle.


But sadly infantrymen think they are the heroes of the battlefield and should be able to defeat anything and anyone and not have a counter and seeing as how they have such a sway over the devs of this DLC I doubt there will be much change to infantry being less powerful than they currently are...

Could not have said it better myself.  :!:
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 07:51:24 AM by Talii »

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #258 on: May 07, 2012, 08:41:12 AM »
As French Cuirassier captain I usually get a KD of about 20-4. Cavalry is certainly not 'rubbish,' my dear friend.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #259 on: May 07, 2012, 11:07:42 AM »
Then you will be eager to test how good you are 1v1 vs infantry? Pm me whenever you want, I go infantry and you go cav.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #260 on: May 07, 2012, 12:41:17 PM »
As French Cuirassier captain I usually get a KD of about 20-4. Cavalry is certainly not 'rubbish,' my dear friend.

As a casual cavalry player and a part of 99% of the community I usually get a KD of about 4-20. Cavalry is certainly not 'balanced', my dear friend.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 01:06:08 PM by tomislawus »

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #261 on: May 07, 2012, 03:47:15 PM »
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Yeah I forgot that horses can trample people while jumping over obstacles and can charge in very tight locations like inside buildings or trenches, silly me. Seriously, whats your problem?

Horses are animals,  not trucks -- they can go wherever they can fit. Been to Napoleonic-era forts that were built to incorporate cavalry.


As a casual cavalry player and a part of 99% of the community I usually get a KD of about 4-20. Cavalry is certainly not 'balanced', my dear friend.

I usually get very good KDR as cav (only slightly less than charging around aimlessly with a bayonet).

I fully agree with those who are mentioning the psychological effects of cavalry; IRL, cavalry are OP. They are also, however, very expensive to maintain, require lots of training for the horse and rider, and are controlled by the horse's brain instead of WASD. In NW, people and horses are fearless and have unlimited stores of energy, in addition to being able to perform at full capacity while severely wounded. No one is going to win a realism argument here. The balance between horse and inf in WB and NW does not reflect reality, but it IS a balance. A very skilled cav has never been able to take down an equally skilled infantry 1v1 in this game -- if both of them know what to do it will be a stalemate forever. Cavalry perform very well (in this game) when they avoid direct 1v1 combat, and unless they make the cav system much more sophisticated, its going to stay that way. That doesn't mean they're "rubbish", though. As FloorBelow confirmed, its easy to get very good K/Ds as cav if you know what to do.


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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #262 on: May 07, 2012, 08:38:17 PM »
I would personally like it if when you blocked an incoming attack it also blocked the horse as well, to many times i have successfully blocked an attack but the horse dies throwing you to the floor leaving you open to attack since the cavalry man decides to take a nap while he's down there yet when an infantry man get knocked down by a horse he just Karate flips back on to his feet in less than a second. Its also ridiculous that a sword and bayonet can get 2 hits in 1 attack by going through a horse and into the guy riding it in one attack.

Plus a good score for a cavalry man does not necessarily make them a good player I have racked up a decent score zooming round a map as a hussar slicing them from behind not exactly exerting much effort.

In MM a good cavalry man could take on a decent infantry man in a 1 on 1 but i just don't see it anymore. I've gone from cavalry to rifle man. Rifle owns bayonet in 1 on 1 melee.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #263 on: May 07, 2012, 09:06:37 PM »
the cavalry man decides to take a nap while he's down there

ever been thrown from a horse?

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yet when an infantry man get knocked down by a horse he just Karate flips back on to his feet in less than a second.

so the answer to one blatantly unrealistic quirk is to make another?

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #264 on: May 08, 2012, 03:21:22 AM »
the cavalry man decides to take a nap while he's down there

ever been thrown from a horse?

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yet when an infantry man get knocked down by a horse he just Karate flips back on to his feet in less than a second.

so the answer to one blatantly unrealistic quirk is to make another?

Ever been hit by a horse?

I'm saying people hit down by a horse should stay down just as long as someone who fell of one.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #266 on: May 08, 2012, 04:14:02 AM »
the cavalry man decides to take a nap while he's down there

ever been thrown from a horse?

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yet when an infantry man get knocked down by a horse he just Karate flips back on to his feet in less than a second.

so the answer to one blatantly unrealistic quirk is to make another?

Ever been hit by a horse?

I'm saying people hit down by a horse should stay down just as long as someone who fell of one.

then we're saying the same thing

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #267 on: May 08, 2012, 04:16:22 AM »
Man hit by horse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7wirWi2kjo

Horse hit by car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZcpxnyCLgM

Man hit by icecream truck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E14kNqMwD6s&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dman%2Bhits%2Bhorse

I love you tube.

The horse, the horse it went flying!

As for the topic, I think cavalry are a little bit of both. The dragoons and cuirassiers are under powered slightly while the lancer is fine other then the fact about the random weapon.

- This is coming from an infantryman.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #268 on: May 08, 2012, 04:17:28 AM »
I think dragoons are fine. They're not supposed to be in the thick of it. Used for harrassment and hit-and-run they do well, just takes some practice.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #269 on: May 08, 2012, 05:50:37 AM »
how can FK players complain here? xD
On the last Linebattle i played, they took out a regiment easily with heavy cav

we have a good balance atm, dont care about realism