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Vlad007

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Cavalry are Rubbish
« on: April 21, 2012, 03:23:24 AM »
Talk about gimped cavalry.

Slow (there should be a charge or gallop button) way to slow.
There is no momentum when a group of horse smash into static infantry in a line.
It seem as a few infantry have the mass and weight  as if they were made from cast iron concreted into the ground.

I did a few tests of polish 50 lances vs 50 line infantry. Got totally rapped each time.

I am very disappointed about the state of cavalry in this DLC

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2012, 03:24:49 AM »
when i played cav tonight i killed like 50 dudes. you just gotta stab ppl in the back over and over and be a sneaky horse. sneaky horse is greatest strength of the horselords

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2012, 03:31:16 AM »
I understand what you mean. But really a cavalry charge needs more impact.

I hate nija tatcis. If you are lucky enough to catch a regiment in line formation then they should pay for it  when you charge them.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2012, 03:40:34 AM »
ya thats true but I think cav would be overpowered if they were any better. lancer cav are extremely strong. only change i can see possible that wouldnt make things broken is maybe increases the dmg from sword cav horse bumps. sword cav are much weaker imo

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2012, 04:13:32 AM »
In reality cavalry were rarely used for head on assaults but more for mopping up retreating infantry and flank attacks.
The cav in NW is still lethal. All to often Ive had cav stab us in the back or lancers full frontal us and still manage to get away.
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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2012, 04:28:47 AM »
In commander mode, had my company of unharmed Grenadiers à cheval(cav), charged them against a group of artillery crew npc's, his cannon didn't kill anyone, and my cav got completely slaughtered by the arty crew with their bayonets. :(
Really think arty crew should only get swords, so if the team wants to keep their arty they should have to protect it...
Also noticed some of the infantry I cut in full charge get hurt but don't die...
« Last Edit: April 21, 2012, 04:30:50 AM by wickerman_156 »

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2012, 04:34:39 AM »
Reddit Cav did pretty well in the NA battle tonight, really its all in how you use them.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2012, 05:07:37 AM »
Cav being nerfed sucks. Agreed the horses are too slow. And what is with the lance+random side weapon. So HURRAH I spawn with a lance I can't block with, and a kitchen knife I also cannot do shit with half the time. Please fix cavalry, the only positive now is they are prettier. Also I don't know what planet you are on where people cannot block with lances that is just retarded.

Cavalry always has 2 bonuses. Speed and maneuverability.

WTF happened to the speed? Being fully melee we should at least have a far better speed advantage since everyone else has guns.
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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2012, 05:26:26 AM »
If you are charging cav head first into a line of muskets in this era, you are doing it wrong. The musket killed offensive tank cav. You have to be quick and sneaky and surprise the enemy.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 05:32:29 AM »
I think for the most part Cav is fine. The only instance I think they kinda blow is that they are too easy for a single human controlled footsoldier to crush. A player controlled line infantryman with nothing but his bayonet can shutdown a decent sized cav charge. I noticed this first as playing infantry, and then when I started to use cav it became even more apparent. I don't think cav needs a buff, but I think something needs to be done to make it not that easy for one guy with a bayonet to shut down a charge. Now of course, a cohesive line of 2 or more ranks who are prepared is one thing. I'm just talking that, even with heavy cav, 1 cav vs 1 guy with a bayonet who isn't a complete tard, he's (the infantryman) going to win, even in a head on, full speed rush.

Of course this is all anecdotal but I'm sure others have seen/experienced this.

If you are charging cav head first into a line of muskets in this era, you are doing it wrong. The musket killed offensive tank cav. You have to be quick and sneaky and surprise the enemy.

Good point and it's the rule that is proving the exception. Like I said a cohesive line who is prepared would be stupid for cav to rush in to. Just as ridiculous as how 1 lineman with a bayonet can completely own a heavy cav charging at him, even from an angle or a flank.
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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2012, 09:11:55 AM »
Cav being nerfed sucks. Agreed the horses are too slow. And what is with the lance+random side weapon. So HURRAH I spawn with a lance I can't block with, and a kitchen knife I also cannot do shit with half the time. Please fix cavalry, the only positive now is they are prettier. Also I don't know what planet you are on where people cannot block with lances that is just retarded.

Cavalry always has 2 bonuses. Speed and maneuverability.

WTF happened to the speed? Being fully melee we should at least have a far better speed advantage since everyone else has guns.
Lancers were too good before, now you need skill. So start training.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2012, 09:36:28 AM »
Ok I actually never see lancers (napoleonic era) blocking, like in  that movie battle of Waterloo they just keep couching and do a stab when they killed that General of the Scot Greys.
And this is also in Sharpe rifles.
I dont know if you did better if you were fighting self at Waterloo, but there is one thing you do know,  you had only one life and you wanted to stay alive, so that made people fight not that good as the Lancers in NW.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2012, 11:21:04 AM »
My only complaint about cav is that a player has too much resistance to a charging horse, when you hit a player it feels like the horse is struggling to push him over, the horse should breeze over one man easily and it certainly wouldn't struggle to smash through more than one. Not that I'm saying it should do any more bump damage than it already does, just think the players resistance to being knocked over by a horse should be weaker. Especially considering horses feel sluggish as it is.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2012, 11:29:08 AM »
I think the cavalry has a good reach now though, I tried to take down a Cuirassier and he just rode past slashing me, I couldn't reach him. That sort of helps to balance, but then I noticed when playing cav that they are somewhat slow.

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Re: Cavalry are Rubbish
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2012, 11:32:14 AM »
it all depends now on how skilled the cavalry man is.
join a cavalry regiment they give you hints and tips on how to easily kill an infantry man.

There are lots of different cav regiments with different tactics/ways on how to kill infantry

6e Curiassiers
Freikorps
Reddit Cav(I presume from couple of podt before)
4e Cuirassiers.

On a sidenote I do agree that every guy now with a musket can easily kill cavalry.
in MM russia you needed skill to take down a cavalryman not anymore in NW.